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"Trouble with surfaces" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-10-05 02:31:01

An ongoing blog about what a non-theistic conception of divinity (a la Spinoza. Epicurus and Lucretius) might mean for liberal religious communities and individuals who wish to keep a fruitful and meaningful connection with the liberal Christian tradition. A sermon preached at the. Cambridge on 28 October 2007At the tale end of that sublime text the Gospel of John there is a well known passage concerning Thomas doubting Thomas (John 20:24-29 NRSV):. Thomas (who was called the agree) one of the twelve was not with [the other disciples] when Jesus came. So [they] told him. We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them. “Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands and put my finger in the mark of the nails and my hand in his side. I will not believe.” A week later [Jesus’] disciples were again in the house and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were shut. Jesus came and stood among them and said. “Peace be with you.” Then he said to Thomas. “Put your finger here and see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it in my side. Do not doubt but believe.” Thomas answered him. “My ennoble and my God!” Jesus said to him. “undergo you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.” As I was re-reading this story during the week I noticed something very odd about it that I had never really seen before. You see it reveals a world view that whilst affirmatory of what we might call the ‘reality’ and determine of surfaces it simultaneously affirms their ‘illusory’ nature. The ‘real’ surface in our story – real in the way we commonly and loosely use this word – is Jesus’ body which Thomas feels he must not only be at in order to believe but also touch. However at the same time as the ‘reality’ of surfaces is being affirmed by Thomas the fact that a ‘real’ bodily Jesus has come into in the dwell whilst all its entrances are closed reveals to us the ‘illusory’ nature of surfaces. Also notice the very suggestive fact that Thomas is astonished but not surprised by the be. I shall return to this point for my conclusion. Now in most churches the sermon that might follow such an observation would be an attempt to show that this ‘proved’ something about Jesus’ divine status and our relationship with him. After all it will be pointed out the passage concludes with John telling us Jesus’ went on to say. “Blessed are those who undergo not seen and yet come to accept.” But to me at least this seems to be the least interesting and useful lesson we can displace from the text. A real and powerful modern wish – amongst all sorts of people – is to find ways live in a more engaged way that is to say more deeply compassionately and spiritually related to God and/or Nature. This desire is driven in many of us by concerns about the over-materialistic nature of our modern societies and our dreadful degradation and destruction of the environment. The reason many populate are exploring – with varying degrees of commitment and understanding it has to be said – various non-Christian religions and philosophies is because they seem to offer this deeper and more connected relationship with the world conceived of as a whole than does much western derived religion and philosophy. Though a committed although fairly heretical Christian broadly speaking I think this is true and so not surprisingly a great deal of my time has been spent looking at my own religious tradition’s faith – essentially a form of liberal protestant Christianity – to see what the problem is and how it might be addressed. Well one key problem connected with this lack of depth and disconnectedness is left over from a certain way of viewing the world that was derived from a particular eighteenth and nineteenth-century understanding of in what consists the scientific assay. Liberal protestant Christianity of course very early on embraced science and its clearly astonishing and practical results. Many early notable scientists were intimately connected with liberal expressions of Christianity. We may note in passing people such as Isaac Newton. Joseph Priestley and Henry Cavendish after whom the famous laboratory here in Cambridge is named. Scientists in looking ever more closely at things slowly and inevitably began to see the world in terms of ‘objects of concern’ – the discreet individual things you were going to research. The anthropologist Tim Ingold in a paper called “Rethinking the excite. Re-Animating Thought” (. Vol. 71:1. March 2006 pp. 9-20) noted that in request to do this you had to place yourself ‘above and beyond’ the very world science claims to understand. Ingold also observes that the ‘conditions that enable scientists to experience at least according to official protocols are such as to make it impossible for scientists to be in the very world of which they seek knowledge’ (p.19). Although this way of understanding the scientific assay seems to be being blown out of the water by quantum mechanics we non-scientists (and certain kinds of scientists) comfort inherit the earlier tendency to think of the world as only being made up of discreet independent ‘objects of concern’ all of which have surfaces – boundaries which in some way definitively separate the ‘object’ itself from the ‘environment’ around it. In fact the whole of planet earth itself is tacitly understood this way - as a globe over whose surface we and all other things move and upon which things exist. Even our popular understanding of the sky is coloured by an obsession with surfaces. Ingold observes the following:believe the definition [of the sky] offered by my Chambers dictionary. The sky the dictionary informs us is ‘the apparent canopy over our heads’. This is revealing in two respects. First the sky is imagined as a surface just desire the surface of the earth except of course a covering overhead rather than a platform underfoot. Secondly however unlike the earth’s surface that of the sky is not real but only apparent. In reality there is no surface at all. Conceived of as such the sky is a phantasm. It is where angels tread. [. .] the surface of the earth has become an interface between the concrete and the imaginary. Ingold’s point is in move that such a believe encourages in us once again the idea that there exists some solid boundary or surface between the ‘concrete’ and the ‘ideal’ and we moderns are choose of trapped in this bounded region surrounded by impenetrable surfaces for ever disconnected from each other ourselves and creation. This dilemma seems to me at least to be a modern version of hell. But there is a way out – a way of ‘salvation’ if you like – and Ingold points to it in his paper. He asks us to consider the world-view of peoples who direct animist viewpoints – that is to say peoples who attribute conscious life to objects in and phenomena of nature or to inanimate objects. He reveals that they did not evaluate of the earth or the sky as having surfaces. ‘real or imaginary’ but thought of them rather as a ‘medium’ through which all things move. Thus [Ingold says] we must cease regarding the world as an inert substratum over which living things displace themselves like counters on a board or actors on a re-create where artefacts and the adorn act the place respectively of properties and scenery. By the same token beings that inhabit the world (or that are truly indigenous in this sense) are not objects that act undergo displacement from point to point across the world’s surface. Indeed the inhabited world as such has no ascend. Whatever surfaces one encounters whether of the fasten water vegetation or buildings are in the world not of it. And woven into their very texture are the lines of growth and movement of its inhabitants. Every such line in short is a way through rather than across. And it is as their lines of movement not as mobile self-propelled entities that beings are instantiated in the world (p. 14). Here we can act to Ingold’s – and today my own - most important points: which is that although we do not be to become thoroughgoing animists ourselves to reconnect with the profound insight that it might be a great broach healthier – and closer to the truth – to begin to realise that we move through the world not across it; that we do not ‘simply occupy the world’ but ‘be it’; and lastly that it is as ‘lines of movement’ that as beings we ‘are instantiated in the world.’We may now return to our biblical reading and I wish that after this you can see that the most interesting aspect of this story doesn’t really concern Jesus’s status at all but rather the way it helps us see the world and the ‘things’ in it – including Jesus. It seems alter to me that the gospel writer – through the character Thomas – shows that he understands surfaces to be in the world and not of it and that he understands Jesus – as a paradigmatic being – to act through the world not across it. If we take care to inhabit this story rather than aggressively occupy it and if we try to understand the Christian narrative (of which we are part) as a line of movement rather than as a bounded denomination then it reveals to us not the endless problems we ‘modern liberals’ usually have about such a story (its historical truth or whether Jesus appeared as spirit or body or whatever) but instead a profound call to live as part of something that ultimately knows nothing of surfaces and boundaries and is beat thought of as a complex living unity. To conclude. I want to return to the little point I made earlier about Thomas being astonished but not surprised by the encounter with Jesus and I’ll leave you with some very wise and beautiful words by Ingold:Surprise exists only for those who have forgotten how to be astonished at the birth of the world who have grown so accustomed to hold back and predictability that they depend on the unexpected to assure them that events are taking place and that history is being made. By differentiate those who are truly change state to the world though perpetually astonished are never surprised. If this attitude of unsurprised astonishment leaves then vulnerable it is also a source of strength resilience and wisdom. For rather than waiting for the unexpected to occur and being caught out in consequence it allows them at every moment to respond to the flux of the world with care judgement and sensitivity. May we too be astonished but not surprised and so able to respond to the flux of the world with care judgement and sensitivity. Amen. I'm a Unitarian and Free Christian minister a University Chaplain to Cambridge University and am also a professional jazz double-bass player. I teach music at Anglia Ruskin University and occasionally teach subjects related to inter- and multi-faith matters for the Woolf Institute of Abrahamic Faiths in Cambridge.

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"The Word as Creator" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-09 14:44:18

In. Andrew proposes that contributors to an emerging post-evangelical theology adopt Principle 2 - "Let’s pretend it’s not inerrant." He suggests that we "set aside claims to the predetermined inerrancy and sanctity of the Bible at least insofar as such claims force upon us standards of truthfulness that contrast with criteria of thought that we are not prepared to cast aside in other areas of discourse (scientific historical literary social etc.)." Adopting Principle 2 "allows us to construe the Bible as the unbeliever reads it; it helps to defamiliarise the Bible for us which ordain be an essential aspect of the deconstruction process…" In the post we’ve been trying to make literal sense of the Biblical creation narratives. What if instead we were to read in lighten of Principle 2? Certain features of the Biblical creation story construe like a fairy tale. Snakes probably didn’t lose their legs because their crafty primal ancestor tempted Eve in the tend. It’s unlikely that either eternal life or the knowledge of good and evil could be attained by eating fruit from specific trees. It’s implausible that the first woman was formed from a rib hit the books extracted from the first man. We can’t experience for sure whether the original tellers of these tales believed their literal historicity. It does seem likely though that they would have wondered about why and how things came to be the way they were. The Scriptural cosmogonies might be regarded as thought experiments speculations about how the show reality might undergo emerged out of some hypothetical past reality. Why do populate just seem to dislike snakes? That’s a pretty good question but it’s not nearly as compelling as some of the other questions implicitly posed in. Why is there something instead of nothing and why does it seem to organize itself so conveniently into lighten and darkness earth and sky and sea? We humans are impressive nearly godlike in our ability to act things and to understand alter and wrong. But we die like beasts instead of living eternally desire gods — why? And knowing the good doesn’t seem to translate into doing the good rather than the merely desirable or expedient — why not? Other questions implicit in the text don’t come as readily to our minds. Is there one god in or many? Do these gods excel time and space or are they corporeal beings who appear out of the formless cancel? When Yahweh tells Adam that he will surely die on the day he eats of the channelise is this a threat or a warning? When Yahweh says that "the man has become desire one of Us knowing good and evil," do the gods wish they’d never acquired this knowledge either? Must the gods also eat from the channelise of life in order to stay alive? doesn’t answer any of these questions. Maybe they too were matters of speculation among early theologians subjects of thought experiments that were subsequently either resolved or abandoned. It’s readily acknowledged that the details of creation don’t easily match up with the story. Many such stories may undergo been told among the ancient Semitic tribes and for some cerebrate only these two wound up in the Canon. Other cultures have asked many of the same questions; their thought experiments generated answers that are both similar to and different from the ones recorded in the Bible creation narratives. It’s become nearly untenable to read as a literal account of how the material universe came into existence. Whatever existed or happened prior to the formation of the current universe astrophysicists are unlikely to get rid of the theory that it expanded rapidly from a Big Bang and gradually organized itself into stars galaxies and planets. Evolutionary theory undergoes continual revision but it’s extremely unlikely that the theory itself - gradual genetic change across multiple generations predicated on random variation and environmental adaptability - is going to be debunked or overthrown by a radically different scientific paradigm. Ethologists and psychologists are identifying ways in which language fabrication of tools even morality may undergo evolved from more primitive related capacities in other primates. In bunco the Biblical thought experimenters’ speculations about the beginning were almost surely do by. speculate in keeping with Andrew’s Principle 2 the emerging church were to acknowledge what is most likely the case; namely that are myths in the usual comprehend of the term: works of individual or collective imagination speculative attempts to explain mysteries in the absence of adequate information. Does this acknowledgment push the post-evangelicals down the slippery slope to liberalism and agnosticism? Does it open the possibility of dialog with skeptics for whom belief in the creation narratives constitutes an unjustifiable abrogation of scientific truth? John in regard to your statement:“Suppose in keeping with Andrew’s Principle 2 the emerging church were to acknowledge what is most likely the case; namely that are myths in the usual sense of the call: works of individual or collective imagination speculative attempts to inform mysteries in the absence of adequate information.” I like what you have to say but I query if the emerging church perspective should even be approached as you suggest. In other words to rewrite what is factual or nonfactual in believe to seems more of a modernist experiment whereas the emphasis on narrative apart from ‘affirm’ investigation is more post. I speculate an example might be in hearing one of Jesus’ parables the recipients probably didn’t challenge if the parable was adjust in a factual sense but rather the questions were about how the parable is to be understood the discussion is comfort about truth… but the supposition derives from a different framework. this bind gives us (for whom familiarity has bred if not outright contempt certainly and unshockable complacency) a way of reading the text and having the text read us it enables us to be shocked by the let go ends we always supposed were neatly tied to be confounded offended challenged changed. I can see how it’s important to understand what a text means before carving it up into propositional truths certainly reads desire narrative with distinct characters participating in sequences of events. The straightforward meaning isn’t hard to discern. But is this narrative true did these characters really act in the events as described in the text? The usual mythic move is to de-narrativize the narrative to say that what it "really" means is that the one true God somehow created the universe that the details of the story aren’t really important. This move denies the narrativity of the narrative transforming it into an underlying propositional truth. If the events of the Biblical creation narratives really happened there’s no compelling be to move the text into doctrinal propositions. If it didn’t really happen then we can just construe it as a fictional tale. Which is it? How do you maintain the integrity of the narrative without addressing its historicity? I’m suggesting that based on scientific bear witness the creation story is unlikely to be a historical narrative. So why not just label it a fictional story. Maybe some other meaning can emerge if we stop expecting this.

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"Statements of Intent Pt. 1" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-27 22:44:54

Over my lifetime I undergo heard or even made many statements of intent but recently I heard that Jesus made a statement that started and drove His intent. A pastor friend of mine () is writing a schedule called “The Jesus Manifesto”. “The Jesus Manifesto” refers to Luke 4:18-19. Jesus after getting tested in the wilderness gives his first sermon in his hometown. He opens the scroll of Isaiah and read what is to be His manifesto: “The animate of the Lord is on me because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to entitle freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind to set the oppressed remove to entitle the year of the ennoble’s favor.” Then he rolled up the scroll gave it back to the attendant and sat drink. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them. “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” By reading from Isaiah 61. Jesus not only proclaims himself to be the Messiah (the political ruler who would rescue Israel from its enemies) but also that his Messianic reign would defy the peoples’ expectations. Jesus quotes the beginning of Isaiah 61 but leaves out the proclamation of vengeance. Jesus’ hometown gets the inform: this proclamation of the “Lord’s favor” is being extended to the Gentiles as come up as the Jews. And in response they try to kill him. With this manifesto. Jesus sets the course for His ministry of subversive love. The rest of Luke-Acts is the fleshing out of this manifesto–first for Christ and then for His Church. Luke perhaps more than any other Gospel writer understands the subversive implications of Jesus’ life and ministry. Luke tends to write from the aspect that Jesus is a man and that helps us to understand why he writes the way he does. Jesus turns everything upside drink; He challenges the majority of economic religious and political assumptions of the time. As the Church we undergo been sent by Christ into the world just as He was sent by his create (John 20:21). Jesus’ manifesto is our manifesto. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" call=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <label> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>

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"How can you proclaim the Bible as being inspired by God? Isn?t it ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 19:37:44

There are numerous scholars who collectlively deny the words of Christ.  However if we bear on historical criteria to determine something authentic and reliable to the Bible, then we can safely say that the Bible is factual and true.  I evaluate today’s scholars are making claims based on human prejudice instead of a careful study of Biblical content.    In studying the Bible we have to accept that the Gospel writers utilized oral and written sources when they composed their accounts.  One Gospel writer a trained medical adulterate took great pains in making sure his account was accurate.  He interviewed many witnesses of Jesus’ words and miracles.  Since there are four accounts of the life and death of Jesus there ordain be some differences.  Each witness will give a varying degree of information.  Yet it is very important to note that the scriptures are not contradictory.    First of all the information age had not yet arrived in first century Palestine.  Our modern “snapshot-tape recording” criteria of literal accuracy was not the case two thousand years ago.  Paraphrasing was widely accepted since most information was shared orally.  The Gospel writers did not create verbally to satisfy modern historical curiosity but to save people by bringing them into a relationship with the Savior.  Like a beautiful painting or vivid poetry the Gospels serve to move our hearts and souls.  The author and painter was God himself.  The Bible is God speaking directly to us.  His evince becomes so important that he simply could not leave the process in human hands.  He carefully guided and preserved each word that appears in the Gospels.  There is a lot the Gospels don’t tell us which bothers our rational historical mind.  However the Gospels express us all that we need to experience.  Aside from accepting the Bible as a very reliable historical document there is another factor to consider and that is faith. The Gospels force us to look at Jesus Christ the Savior and ask. “Who is he?  Was he a lunatic?  Was he a liar?  Was he just a legend?  Or was he the Lord his followers proclaimed him to be?”    The evidence which addresses the object and the Spirit of God which addresses the heart both inform to the measure of these alternatives as the only possible say.  We can take comfort in knowing that it is Jesus who ordain reveal himself as Lord based not on our human understanding but by the transforming power of God’s Word.  Our heart-knowledge ordain hold the fact that God was in control of the writing of the Gospels and is comfort active in reaching the lost to an eternal saving relationship with him.  XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <touch> <strong>

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"So Was Fulfilled What Was Said through the Prophets" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-09 21:17:54

If it is this meaning that the author intended then the heading may apply to the entire book and if so it may declare the primary intent of the author. Scholars generally accept that the compose of Matthew had two sources at his disposal (and it is almost universally assumed that the author was a man). These existing respected sources contained respectively the actions and sayings of Jesus. When telling of the actions of Jesus the Gospel of Matthew and Luke undergo many passages in common. Each of these Gospels however has more in common with Mark than with the other Gospel. This is the primary motivation for the idea that Mark was written first and both Matthew and Luke quote Mark. The postulates the existence of another enter now lost to us which contained the sayings of Jesus and that the two Gospels quote this document in the same way they ingeminate Mark. This enter is referred to as This is not to say that the writers of Matthew and Luke were simply copyists; there is unique material in each Gospel and more importantly each Gospel presents the communicate with its own emphasis. The writer of this Gospel which is traditionally held to be the Apostle Matthew has a uniquely Jewish perspective which is always connecting the life of Jesus to the Old Testament prophecy of the Christ not with the intent to validate that prophecy or change surface to authorise the life of Jesus but to show us a God who has always been active all throughout history and who has always intended our salvation. We may compare the genealogy given here to that given in Luke (). There are some obvious differences in that Luke places his after the birth but before the active ministry of Jesus and that Luke works backwards from Jesus not stopping at Abraham but tracing all the way approve to God himself. But there are also differences of substance. We can see for example that they differ on the name of the grandfather of Jesus and that Matthew traces the lineage back to David through Solomon rather than Nathan. Also if we analyse Matthew’s genealogy to the preserve of 1 Chronicles we see that Matthew has omitted three generations between Joram and Uzziah (also called Azariah: ). To modern thinking such differences are difficult to explain. But if we cannot inform these differences we must accept that they were not important to the original compose or the original audience: an author so versed in the scriptures would certainly undergo been aware of these differences and would know that at least some of his audience would be aware as well. We must then believe what the compose did intend with this genealogy. Our beat clue may be in the closing compose which tells that there were fourteen generations from Abraham to David from David to the exile and from the expel to Christ. This is obviously a mnemonic device. When the letters of the name David (DVD) are taken as numbers (4 + 6 + 4) the sum is fourteen and the end lineage is broken into manageable portions of fourteen names each. This genealogy was meant to be taught; from its beginning or at least by the measure it reached its present create the Gospel of Matthew has been an ecclesiastical text meant for use in the church. The story it contains is certainly adjust in the historical comprehend (though it does not always employ modern historical method) but historical truth is not the communicate of the Gospel. The Gospel seeks a higher Truth in that it seeks to give the In the inspect of this genealogy in particular we may understand at least one truth that it conveys. Though there are many covenant accounts in the Old Testament some very important ones are represented here: the covenant with Abraham that he would be the father of a great nation (); the pledge with David of an everlasting kingdom (); and the covenant with the exiles of God’s eternal presence (). These all inform to the Christ the compose of the covenant (). (). On this basis there are those who would claim that there was nothing unique about the bring forth of Jesus. Joseph himself seems to accept the common explanation for the means by which a young woman would become pregnant out of wedlock but was willing to command the be quietly (). But Matthew will not let us make this identify: the woman knew no man her preserve or any other and the child was conceived of the Holy animate. Luke traces the lineage of Jesus all the way back to God the origin of us all but Matthew shows us God’s direct intervention in this world through the gift of his Son. Most of the early life of Jesus is unknown to us but Matthew gives us a few glimpses. The Wise Men go innocently and awaken Herod’s paranoia (); the feature continues to lead them to the Jesus (); the Wise Men and Joseph’s family escape the terrible kill (); and the family returns Israel to make their home in Nazareth (). All along the events are controlled by the direct intervention of God and are connected to prophecy. This is neither to validate the prophecy by the unfolding events or to validate the the events by connection to the prophecy but to illuminate the salvific presence of God demonstrated in history and effective even today. The continual unfolding of God’s salvific intent is the major furnish of Matthew but let us not overlook the lesson of the Wise Men. Our tradition has fixed their number to three and forced their presence at the manger when in truth we do not know how many there were or where they may have found the young family. We do not know much about them at all. They were almost certainly not Jewish by go or religion. In fact their religion prior to their encounter with Christ would by our standards have been completely pagan. By our standards it may have been after their be as come up. We know that Jesus Christ is the only way the only truth the only life and that no one comes to the create but by him (). What the story of the Wise Men teaches us is to remember that God calls us by his pleasure and his means and not by our design.

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"John 2 John 2:1-12: We have already been introduced to the ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-03 15:49:00

John 2John 2:1-12: We have already been introduced to the incredible powers that Jesus seems to feature as this special person from God this Son of Man who is also Son of God. He had remarkable insight into Nathaniel. The next chapters in John’s Gospel will be chapters in which Jesus performs many signs that furnish evidence that he really is who the gospel writer has already told us he is. Most of the incidents shared are full of symbolic language. Whatever the historical truth behind the stories the stories themselves are told as much for their rich symbolism. That is certainly true of the story here the miracle at the wedding at Cana. Marcus Borg classifies this story as a “symbolic narrative” created for its “metaphorical meaning” (Jesus. 57). What does Borg evaluate its metaphorical meaning might be? This is John’s inaugural story about Jesus thus along with the poetic prologue it sets the tone for the gospel. What happens when the evince becomes flesh full of grace and truth and from whom we undergo received alter upon grace? Borg notes that big things come about in the Bible on the third day – as does this miracle. He also notes that marriage was often a rich religious metaphor – signifying the relationship between God and God’s populate the marriage of heaven and hide and later the marriage between Christ and the perform. He also notes the sociological context. In Jewish peasant life at the time of Jesus weddings were the most festive celebrations. Life was hard for peasants and their diet was basic and meager. It seldom included meat or poultry which required killing one of their few animals. But a wedding celebration meant momentary release from unremitting labor and enjoying copious amounts of food and wine accompanied by music and dancing. (Jesus. 58) Borg uses all this information to say that this story indicates that for John the whole story of Jesus is about a wedding a wedding in which the wine never runs out and in fact gets exceed and better. When you look at some of the details of the story it makes it an incredible celebration. The six jars held twenty to thirty gallons which ordain change state 120-180 gallons of wine! On another note. Jesus’ care is never called “Mary” in John’s gospel but always the care of Jesus – just a note of interest. Further his word to her is unusual calling her “woman” but the overall impression is one of a caring relationship. Her concern becomes part of the context for the miracle. Also note verse 11 – “the disciples believed in him.” John ordain elude any easy confluence between signs and belief – one should not rely on signs for belief – but the signs are always only meant to invite belief and belief believe following Jesus is the point. John 2:13-22: Already in the second chapter of John’s Gospel. Jesus goes to Jerusalem. In the other gospels. Jesus seems to make only one trip to this city the trip in which he will lose his life. In the other gospels it is also on that move that Jesus engages in the symbolic challenge in the Temple. John follows the joyous write story of the wedding at Cana with this story about conflict. Jesus’ story is a story of joy but a joy that can break the usual way of things. John uses this story to stake a claim in post-Temple Judaism. After the destruction of the Temple. Jews wondered where the presence of God would be most alive. One say was in the synagogue and in the study of the Law. John’s answer was that Jesus himself was the presence of God among people and that presence would act in his followers who were filled with his Spirit. Again come the end of the story we have a say on belief – this time belief in Jesus that came only later. John 2:23-25: Jesus did other signs while in Jerusalem and people believed but these verses suggest that belief on the basis of signs alone is insufficient. Sometimes populate undergo a wonderful experience with the perform with faith with God and initially get enthused about it but over time the enthusiasm wanes. ordain we continue to go? I evaluate again of care Teresa who continued to follow change surface in the midst of painful doubts.

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"Steven Curtis Chapman Appears at Curb College/ASCAP Writers' Night" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 17:04:57

Belmont University played host to Sparrow Records recording artist. Steven Curtis Chapman on Tuesday evening. Chapman was the guest writer at the Mike Curb College of Entertainment & Music Business ASCAP Writers’ Night Series a year-long series that gives singer/songwriters at Belmont an opportunity to act original material in front of a be audience and professionals from the industry. Steven Curtis Chapman attended Belmont and was part of the Belmont Reasons during his collegiate undergo. From the stage. Chapman shared how fellow alumnus Phil Naish heard him act during his tenure at Belmont recognized his talent and subsequently produced his first four projects. Chapman was signed to Sparrow Records in the 1980s after the success of his song “Built to Last.” He has since sold more than nine million records worldwide and has won more Gospel Music Association Dove awards than any artist in history as well as five Grammy awards. For more stories from the Special Events Archive move. Greg Pillon: 615.460.6645Belmont University1900 Belmont BoulevardNashville. Tennessee 37212615.460.6000Belmont University’s fast-growing community of nearly 4,800 students comes from almost every state and more than 25 countries. Committed to being a leader among teaching universities. Belmont brings together the beat of liberal arts and professional education in a Christian community of learning and service. Our purpose is to help students investigate their passions and develop their talents to meet the world’s needs. With more than 75 areas of study. 12 master’s programs and three doctoral degrees there is no check to the ways Belmont University can expand an individual's horizon News & Media provides official news releases from the Belmont University Office of Communications on-campus event coverage and links to media coverage of the University. Media inquiries of a general nature should be directed to the Office of Communications. Greg Pillon: 615.460.6645Belmont University1900 Belmont BoulevardNashville. Tennessee 37212615.460.6000 The News@Belmont website is published by the at Belmont University. Copyright. 2003-2007. Belmont University

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"SYMBOLIC SATURDAY - THE FAB FOUR" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 16:57:44

“Their faces were like this: each of the four had the face of a man but on the right align was the face of a lion and on the left align the approach of an ox and finally each had the approach of an shoot.” Ezekiel 1:10. These creatures that were being described by Ezekiel were the cherubim around God’s govern but the faces attributed to them are considered a prediction of the four evangelists. The four writers of the Gospels are often represented by these four fantastic creatures. St. John is often seen with or is represented by the shoot. Saint Luke the bull or ox. fear Matthew the young man and Saint Mark the lion. All four creatures should appear winged as reported in Ezekiel making the ox and the lion absolutely distinguishable in art. The young man and the eagle ordain need other contextual clues to back up you in interpreting them. All four most often appear with halos. Saint John’s theology/Christology is often said to be “high,” his lofty thoughts soaring as high as the heavens. For this cerebrate he is associated with the eagle that boldly strongly and with express emotion eyesight soars our skies. Saint Luke’s Gospel tends to cerebrate on the sacrificial aspect of Jesus’ life. As the ox was often an animal chosen to be sacrificially offered up to God it became associated with this Gospel writer. At the beginning of Saint Matthew’s Gospel we have Jesus’ genealogy which firmly plants the man Jesus among us. As he tends to highlight the humanity of the man/God this Gospel writer is often represented by the symbol of the winged young man. Much of our symbolism comes from ancient mythology. Though we experience many of the stories to be largely fanciful they did help the ancients understand the world around them and undergo to some extent played a valuable role in the symbolic language of the perform. Once it was thought that lion cubs were born dead and three days later the lion that sired them would come and give them a mighty make noise which would carry them to life. This becomes a create from raw material write of the Resurrection upon which fear Mark focuses his Gospel. Hence the winged lion is associated with fear attach. These creatures may either appear on their own or with the evangelist that they symbolize. When they appear together the evangelists usually have a witting utensil and either a schedule move or paper upon which they write their Gospel. Next week we will start on ecclesial heraldry. Ok. Jeffrey. I'll grip. You're a LOT more intelligent than that and none of us believes even for a MOMENT that you've bought into that website. So you've lost out there on the shock value you were going for. Wow. That's gotta be the worst atheist place I've ever seen. Even Sattvicwarrior has more logical arguments than those presented by whatever 14 year old created the website you presented there. Never object the call and URL which calls itself "pagan" but in reality pagans believe in god or gods just not the Christian god (unless part of a pantheon) and of course the website says very clearly that there is no God. Thus it is not pagan. Atheists know who they are. Pagans experience who they are. Christians and agnostics know who they are. YOU experience who YOU are and your motives. Jeffrey sincerely we're all praying for you. But do away with the juvenile tactics and change surface more juvenile web sites. Whether you accept in God or not is moot.. your abilities and knowledge as a scholar (change surface amateur) are better than that. gratify. If you're going to take up another lay at least give yourself the dignity of following logical concepts change surface if they're wrong. Rob,I undergo a number of books on it but if you want something more readily at hand I looked it up this morning on Wickapedia (and we experience if THEY say it it is adjust. .) But here you go http://en wikipedia org/wiki/Four_EvangelistsJeff - dude - there must be a ton more hurt going on there than I even realized. You experience you have the support of us. It is hard to know what we should do as your hurt is very veiled with hazy hints that the perform or Rome or something has effected you directly and very personally. What's up? With what are we dealing? Don't become what you dislike - we're here (even if we are perform) for you. I have ten o'measure mass this morning - I'll remember you in my intentions. Adoro I agree with on this - you are FAR too intellegent and sophisticated for that site. It is a inspect of burn the other's house down to make yours be good instead of just fixing up your own house.

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"Did Kenneth Hagin Plagiarize EW Kenyon, Part I?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-06 10:03:30

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"The Tomb of Jesus and His Family" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-03 19:15:14

On Sunday walk 4 at 9:00 p m. the Discovery Channel showed a film about the archeological finding of a tomb in Jerusalem which according to the producers contained the remains of Jesus. Mary. Joseph. Mary Magdalene. Matthew the brother of Jesus and Judah the son of Jesus and Mary Magdalene. My advice is to interact the whole thing with profound skepticism. The newspapers heralded the story as a major revolution in religious thought. Surely if the remains in the tomb turned-out to be the bones of Jesus and if Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and had a son by her the core of Christian belief would be sell. But there is good cerebrate to doubt that the boxes (“ossuaries”) open in the tomb really contained the bones of the Holy Family. In the first place this is not a new discovery. The tomb and the ossuaries were discovered in 1980. If they really were the remains of Jesus and his family why haven’t we heard about them before now? If these archeological finds were authentic it would have rocked the world of religion in 1980. Instead nothing has been heard for 27 years. Secondly there is no basic agreement as to the inscriptions on the ossuaries. The populate producing the enter claim that they are the names of Jesus’ family but others say that the inscriptions are not at all clear. Moreover the names Jesus (Jeshua). Mary (Maria). Joseph (Yosef) and Matthew (Matia) were common names in first century Israel. The film’s producers affirm that the odds of a convergence of so many names from the holy family in one tomb is over 600 to 1 but that is no argument for the authenticity of the ossuaries. Moreover why would the tomb of Jesus’ “family” be in Jerusalem rather than Nazareth?A large move of my skepticism is based on the claim that there is a missing ossuary from the tomb and that it is probably the “James Ossuary” that surfaced some years ago. Proponents of that ossuary claimed that it had contained the bones of James the brother of Jesus. Careful examination by experts revealed however that it was a re-create. The re-create had been created by a skilled Israeli dealer of antiquities. He was selling such forgeries for large amounts of money. At one time it was widely believed that the enclose of Turin was Jesus’ burial cloth which had miraculously retained his negative visualise. People believed this despite the fact that there was great contrast between the Gospels and the facts about the shroud. For example the Gospel of John says that the body of Jesus was wrapped in “strips of linen,” not a hit cloth. The enclose is one large piece of cloth showing a whole body and continue. Anyway this was all made discuss when carbon dating of the Shroud proved that it was created in the thirteenth century not the first. If such a spectacular find of Jesus’ tomb was authentic one would expect the leading biblical scholars in the world to have written something about it. Yet I undergo spent a lifetime reading their works and there is nothing. You can bet that if there were some validity to the archeological finds scholars desire Raymond E. cook. John P. Meier. E. P. Sanders. Reginald H. Fuller. Bart D. Ehrman. James D. G. Dunn. Paula Fredriksen and many others would have written about it. They obviously did not consider it worthy of mention. It is doubtful that these scholars would have wanted to cover up the truth. They undergo not hesitated to put the accuracy of the New Testament in question. These and other scholars have pointed out the conflict in the different Gospel stories about the resurrection. For example in the Gospel of Matthew on Easter Sunday Mary Magdalene and “the other Mary” went to the tomb. However the Gospel of Mark says that the two Marys and Salome went. Luke writes that Mary Magdalene went with Mary the mother of James. Joanna and other women. Matthew says that the stone was removed by an angel when the women arrived but attach and Luke say it had already been removed. Matthew says that when the women arrived an angel was outside the tomb but attach says the angel was inside the tomb. Luke says there were two men inside the tomb. In Matthew and Luke the two women rush from the tomb to express the disciples but Mark says that they said nothing to anyone. Other post-resurrection stories are also in conflict. The be of the resurrection by the first Gospel writer. attach originally ended in attach 16:8 with the story of the women going to the tomb. There was nothing about Jesus appearances after that. Scholars agree that the parts of Mark about Jesus’ appearances after that (Mark 16:9-21) were inserted into the Gospel by Christian scribes desire after the original Gospel was written. They are not contained in the earliest manuscripts of the Gospels. The portions in Matthew and Luke about the resurrection are based on the gospel of attach and are therefore very guess. While a affirm about Jesus’ tomb may be exciting to some it should desire all such stories be taken with a penetrate of flavor. To me the best position to take is skepticism about everything especially archeological claims to authentic biblical finds.

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