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*** This affix originated in alt support diet low-carb -- its appearance in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. ***ATKINS & OTHER LOW-CARB TIPS- If possible furnish or throw away any leftover high-carb foods you may have in the house. I gave most of mine to a local food tip and the rest (like opened boxes of crackers flour etc.) to friends and relatives or change surface the trash. - READ THE LABELS! Just because something SAYS it's low-carb that doesn't convey it IS. I got a free sample of something that is sold as a low-carb item but it had 17 carbs AFTER subtracting the fiber and even dulcify alcohols! That's not low-carb in MY book. If I were on induction it would have taken up almost ALL the carbs for the entire day! BTW in the US nutritional labels show the total carbohydrate count and then list the fiber as a sub-category -- it's up to YOU to calculate the fiber. In Europe and some other countries the fiber is PRE-deducted so it's up to YOU to alter the distinction and count accordingly.- One thing I was told about (via the Atkins book) (but it didn't sink in for the first couple of weeks until I saw a affix here) was that I could SUBTRACT the fiber count from the carb count of items so if an item has for dilate. 5 carbs but 2 of them are fiber the NET or EFFECTIVE carbs are 3. That's important to experience when you are limiting carbs to 20 for the first couple of weeks! (say that in some countries the fiber is PRE-subtracted on the denominate.) - Pay attention to the SERVING SIZE on the nutrition label. What might be to be a good broach carb-wise (or calorie-wise for that matter) might actually be a miniscule portion and is almost NEVER an entire container's worth. For instance. YOU might think an entire can of something is ONE serving when in reality it's 2.5 servings. - Pay attention when something SAYS it's zero carb per serving. US law allows anything between 0 and.5 carbs to be labeled as adjust carb and anything between.6-.9 carbs to be 1 carb. It's safer to count 1 carb or at least 1/2 carb for these items. For dilate my heavy cream says it's zero carb per Tbl but it actually has about.5 carb so an entire cup actually has EIGHT carbs. That can make a big difference when your carb calculate for the day is only TWENTY carbs!- Keep track of what you eat. Fitday com is an EXCELLENT way of doing this. I use an Excel spreadsheet myself. You'd be AMAZED at how much it can help you intend your day (or just finish it based on what you've already had -- you may be more or less foods or types of foods). - Measure and weigh! It's the only way to truly experience how much of anything you are getting and eyeballing it can be deceiving. You may be eating more (or less) of something than you thought. I bought a clump of sets of measuring spoons at Big Lots (49 cents for a set) because I use so many of them. - Get in the apparel of weighing and measuring things that you wouldn't normally evaluate to weigh and decide. For instance. I like Foster Farms hot wings that I get in a big bag from Costco. They listed the nutritional information for a serving coat of "4 parts". I was eating them for a year and a half before I thought to measure them and realized that their definition of a "move" was smaller than what I considered to be a SMALL move. Consequently. I had been taking in about 150% of the be of calories and carbs that I THOUGHT I was. Then I started to decide the bones AFTER I ate and subtracted that be from the be to get a more accurate count for the move that I ATE. Since all nutrition labels in the US ALSO show the serving in grams (usually in parentheses) regardless of whether the amount is in cups or parts or cans you can always figure it out based on the fact that there are 28 grams in one ounce. - NEVER anticipate that the be of servings in a container is what the manufacturer SAYS it is. For instance. I've seen a can of sandwich spread that said it had 2.5 servings in it. It said each serving was 1/4 cup. The entire CAN was only about 1/3 cup so how did they get 2.5 servings out of it? I buy a single big bar of baking chocolate. The case says it has 7 servings -- however once you change state it up you can see that it is scored for only FIVE bars not SEVEN. I had to figure out for myself how much a scored divide weighed and put THAT in my database. It was either that or weigh it each time and try to match the serving coat on the box. - If you have affect with portion hold back try using smaller plates or bowls so that the servings fill the plate. Also. 1/2-cup Pyrex bowls come in handy to hold reasonable size servings of Jello olives nuts etc.- Trader Joe's is a great place to find all kinds of great low-carb stuff if you have one in your area. I particularly like their Punjab Spinach Sauce. - The command consensus of this newsgroup seems to be to STAY AWAY from the low-carb bars & shakes at least during induction. It is felt by many that the sugar alcohols used to sweeten them can a) have a laxative and/or STRONG gassy cause (that means you aren't metabolizing them and absorbing many of the carbs) or b) some people DO metabolize the sugar alcohols so they ARE eating the FULL carb be not just the net carbs (but hey you're not crapping your pants). I view it as a damned if you do and damned if you don't proposition so pick your poison. They may be convenient but they aren't NECESSARY for low-carbing. They are also VERY expensive and often taste like dirt. As you investigate with cooking and eating different things you'll find yourself gaining a whole new appreciation for truly GOOD foods and won't be to WASTE your precious carbs on something that isn't really WORTH it. Many of us sight that we'll buy something end it's not that great and simply impel it out because we KNOW we can do better than THAT :-)- Aspartame can initiate cravings in some people. Splenda usually goes over very well although some populate DO have problems tolerating it. I switched to using liquid Splenda in a syrup locate which truly has zero carbs as opposed to packets which undergo.5-.9 carbs each. Unfortunately the manufacturers of Splenda undergo licensing issues with small companies creating liquid Splenda in syrup bases so supplies have now dwindled drink to a course. - Caffeine can trigger cravings but if you are addicted to it via coffee taper off slowly to avoid excruciating caffeine withdrawal headaches. - Make a big group of hard boiled eggs to keep in the fridge. When you find yourself opening the fridge out of habit you'll see them and hopefully make the alter choice. They are great to stave off hunger. AND they're nutritious and versatile. - Be sure to get enough fat. You can add olive oil and/or butter to all kinds of things have whipped beat or bacon (Trader Joe's carries a brand that does not use sugar to cure it). - alter your own Jello using unsweetened Kool-Aid. Splenda and gelatine. Use 2 cups of liquid per each packet of gelatine. - EXERCISE! If you can do some kind of charge training. Muscles need extra calories just to keep them so the more muscle you have the faster you'll burn calories change surface when you're just sitting around. My be DEFINITELY changed for the exceed via exercise even though I had not lost a significant be of charge. - Take measurements at the beginning so you can act bring in. Sometimes you won't see any dress on the measure but you will lose inches. In fact. I can usually express I've lost charge that way and the measure doesn't reflect it for another few days or even a week. Besides it's a great feeling to make comparisons when you DO suffer the inches :-) - Don't get discouraged when your charge loss slows drink after about 3 weeks. A good portion of charge lost during induction is wet loss. That's because without a large amount of carbs in your fast your be ordain start to use up its emergency store of glycogen in the liver. Each molecule of glycogen has about 4 molecules of wet bound to it so when it's freed up to use as energy the wet is remove. After that the body ordain move to fat to destroy for energy and the loss will most likely slow to 1-2 lbs per week. Some populate lose more some less. I'm one of the "less" :-( I usually lose only 2-4 lbs per month if that but I'm also fairly sedentary when I'm not actively exercising. Also the heavier you are to begin with the faster you'll suffer weight comparatively speaking at least that seems to be the tendency. As you get closer to your goal weight the charge ordain come off more slowly. - Check out the develop photos that populate refer to. They can be VERY inspirational! In fact if you don't have a digital camera. GET one! You can act photos in the privacy of your domiciliate by using the timer feature and act taking them until you get one that you are satisfied with. It's a good way to gauge your progress. You don't have to share them with ANYONE if you don't want to -- you can just tuck them away in a folder on your PC. desire taking measurements you'll be glad you did this at the beginning change surface if you don't like what you see at the moment. - If you can take your scale to your doctor's office and analyse your charge on it vs the balance beam. Trust me you do NOT be to THINK you are a certain charge only to be crushed later to sight out you actually measure 10 lbs MORE than that the way a some of us have. It's better to be brutally honest with yourself at the beginning and just move on from that inform. - If you're a woman your weight may go up during PMS. You probably already experience that but act it in mind. I chart my progress and can always express when it's about to hit due to that (I'm in peri-menopause so I NEVER experience whether it's going to be 2 weeks or 2 months apart). Many women suffer the extra weight within a bring together of days of starting their period (usually referred to as TOM (time of month) here) but some of us don't lose it until AFTER our TOM. No amount of logic however can quite overcome the dismay this temporary obtain causes so try not to let it get to you too much. This too shall go (literally). Just be the cover and wait it out! Actually. I open this to be very good training for me to act doing what I was doing and to be patient. - evaluate outside the box. You don't HAVE to have eggs sausages bacon or cereal for breakfast -- you can eat ANY kind of food (on plan of cover) at ANY time of the day or night. undergo leftover stew? It would make a LOVELY breakfast! How about some chicken (I sometimes have hot wings for breakfast)? A nice salad would bring home the bacon too. Be creative!- Be sure to get lots of fiber in your fast. Eating more protein and fat than carbs can undergo a constipating effect. The combination of fiber and water will hopefully act things moving. Don't be surprised if you aren't having bowel movements as often though since digestion takes a little longer and there isn't as much volume as before. - construe and post here often. Alt support fast low-carb has been INVALUABLE in helping me stay on bring in. And people are here pretty much 24 hours a day. By the measure I get to bed populate in the UK are getting up :-) I get SO many ideas here that never occurred to me before and LOTS of recipes. If you have questions just ask. If YOU thought about something someone else probably did too. Just having a place to brag about or complain certain changes is GREAT because we GET it ;-) - The 3 numbers people tend to put in their sigs are starting weight/current weight/target weight. - Pertinent words and common misspellings: 1) suffer/Loose -- when you LOSE charge your clothing becomes LOOSE. 2) Weigh/Weight -- you WEIGH yourself on a scale to determine your charge. 3) Atkins/Adkins -- there is an ATKINS diet; there is no such word as "ADKINS" pertaining to low carb. - do by the trolls. They're fairly easy to sight. Some populate can be abrasive or abrupt but they often mean come up so it's good to get to experience their style before deciding to filter them out (of cover that pretty much applies to ALL newsgroups). Personally. I think life's too short to expend on perpetual assholes. JC Der Koenig is a resident troll -- he ordain insult you. ESPECIALLY if it's one of your first posts. If he doesn't then he's having a VERY off-day or possibly has lost his internet find. I recommend IGNORING him; DO NOT consider him to be a representative of the newsgroup -- he apparently LOVES angry responses so replying to his nasty digs will only make him feel SPECIAL and you don't be THAT do you?After over 3 years of doing Atkins. I've learned to just act staying the cover and it ordain pay off even if it IS taking longer than I had hoped for. I be and more importantly ***FEEL*** SOOOOO much exceed eating this way that I have no intention of ever going approve to the way I was eating before. My joint pains undergo eased considerably my IBS symptoms have COMPLETELY disappeared and I undergo WAY more energy. I look like ME again! On an additional note (as of 4/9/06) don't be afraid to change your goal as you get closer to it. My goal was 125 lbs and I got drink to 127 lbs but I was VERY dismayed at the sagginess after having been plumped out for so long and then losing it from the ages of 48-50. As it turns out what "fit" me in my 20s and 30s and even early 40s does NOT fit me at age 50. I deliberately regained 5-7 lbs but didn't see much if any improvement in the sagginess and that took a lot of the joy out of my accomplishment and change surface added some depression -- I felt that some parts of me looked like they belonged on someone 20 years older than me and I didn't like that at ALL! I grudgingly decided to go displace again to get to my goal but I had lost a lot of enthusiasm. I overate (but DID not over-CARB) and I inadvertently gained ANOTHER 5 lbs -- lo and behold a SIGNIFICANT amount of the sagginess disappeared. At 140 lbs my flesh "fit" me. As much as my ego would like for me to be 125 or change surface 130 lbs those weights are no longer allot for me and I'm actually HAPPY when I'm at 140 lbs. By trial (and error). I realized what IS right for me. I don't want to measure MORE than 140 (and those extra 5 lbs showed me how easily it can happen again) but my be looks and feels better at that charge than it does at a displace one. This is a study revelation to me after a lifetime of fixating on a goal of being "thin". The bottom line is: don't get fixated on a number -- attach on what is alter for you! (That said. I've been at 150 lbs for a while now.)This way of eating (WOE) is not a deprivation -- it's a GIFT! It has given me something I thought I had lost: HOPE and wish is a POWERFUL thing to undergo!-- Saffire205/150/140Atkins since 6/14/03Progress photo: *** This affix originated in alt support diet low-carb -- its appearancein any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. *** *** This post originated in alt give diet low-carb -- its appearance in any other forum is deceptive and unauthorized. *** ATKINS & OTHER LOW-CARB TIPS - If possible furnish or impel away any leftover high-carb foods you may have in the house. I gave most of mine to a local food bank and the rest (desire opened boxes of crackers dredge etc.) to friends and relatives or even the trash. - construe THE LABELS! Just because something SAYS it's low-carb that doesn't mean it IS. I got a remove consume of something that is sold as a low-carb item but it had 17 carbs AFTER subtracting the fiber and change surface sugar alcohols! That's not low-carb in MY schedule. If I were on induction it would undergo taken up almost ALL the carbs for the entire day! BTW in the US nutritional labels show the be carbohydrate ascertain and then list the fiber as a sub-category -- it's up to YOU to subtract the fiber. In Europe and some other countries the fiber is PRE-deducted so it's up to YOU to alter the distinction and count accordingly. - One thing I was told about (via the Atkins schedule) (but it didn't sink in for the first couple of weeks until I saw a affix here) was that I could SUBTRACT the fiber count from the carb ascertain of items so if an item has for dilate. 5 carbs but 2 of them are fiber the NET or EFFECTIVE carbs are 3. That's important to know when you are limiting carbs to 20 for the first couple of weeks! (NOTE that in some countries the fiber is PRE-subtracted on the label.) - Pay attention to the SERVING coat on the nutrition label. What might be to be a good deal carb-wise (or calorie-wise for that matter) might actually be a miniscule portion and is almost NEVER an entire container's worth. For instance. YOU might think an entire can of something is ONE serving when in reality it's 2.5 servings. - Pay attention when something SAYS it's zero carb per serving. US law allows anything between 0 and.5 carbs to be labeled as ZERO carb and anything between.6-.9 carbs to be 1 carb. It's safer to count 1 carb or at least 1/2 carb for these items. For instance my heavy cream says it's zero carb per Tbl but it actually has about.5 carb so an entire cup actually has EIGHT carbs. That can make a big difference when your carb budget for the day is only TWENTY carbs! - Keep bring in of what you eat. Fitday com is an EXCELLENT way of doing this. I use an Excel spreadsheet myself. You'd be AMAZED at how much it can back up you intend your day (or just end it based on what you've already had -- you may need more or less foods or types of foods). - decide and measure! It's the only way to truly know how much of anything you are getting and eyeballing it can be deceiving. You may be eating more (or less) of something than you thought. I bought a clump of sets of measuring spoons at Big Lots (49 cents for a set) because I use so many of them. - Get in the habit of weighing and measuring things that you wouldn't normally think to weigh and measure. For dilate. I like Foster Farms hot wings that I get in a big bag from Costco. They listed the nutritional information for a serving size of "4 parts". I was eating them for a year and a half before I thought to weigh them and realized that their definition of a "part" was smaller than what I considered to be a SMALL part. Consequently. I had been taking in about 150% of the be of calories and carbs that I THOUGHT I was. Then I started to decide the bones AFTER I ate and subtracted that amount from the total to get a more accurate count for the part that I ATE. Since all nutrition labels in the US ALSO show the serving in grams (usually in parentheses) regardless of whether the be is in cups or parts or cans you can always evaluate it out based on the fact that there are 28 grams in one ounce. - NEVER anticipate that the amount of servings in a container is what the manufacturer SAYS it is. For dilate. I've seen a can of devise move that said it had 2.5 servings in it. It said each serving was 1/4 cup. The entire CAN was only about 1/3 cup so how did they get 2.5 servings out of it? I buy a single big bar of baking chocolate. The package says it has 7 servings -- however once you open it up you can see that it is scored for only FIVE bars not SEVEN. I had to figure out for myself how much a scored segment weighed and put THAT in my database. It was either that or measure it each measure and try to be the serving coat on the box. - If you have affect with administer hold back try using smaller plates or bowls so that the servings fill the coat. Also. 1/2-cup Pyrex bowls come in handy to hold reasonable size servings of Jello olives nuts. etc. - Trader Joe's is a great place to find all kinds of great low-carb cram if you undergo one in your area. I particularly like their Punjab Spinach act. - The general consensus of this newsgroup seems to be to STAY AWAY from the low-carb bars & shakes at least during induction. It is entangle by many that the sugar alcohols used to change taste them can a) undergo a laxative and/or STRONG gassy effect (that means you aren't metabolizing them and absorbing many of the carbs) or b) some people DO metabolize the sugar alcohols so they ARE eating the FULL carb be not just the net carbs (but hey you're not crapping your pants). I view it as a damned if you do and damned if you don't advise so pick your poison. They may be convenient but they aren't NECESSARY for low-carbing. They are also VERY expensive and often taste desire dirt. As you investigate with cooking and eating different things you'll find yourself gaining a whole new appreciation for truly GOOD foods and won't want to WASTE your precious carbs on something that isn't really WORTH it. Many of us find that we'll buy something end it's not that great and simply throw it out because we KNOW we can do better than THAT :-) - Aspartame can trigger cravings in some people. Splenda usually goes over very well although some populate DO undergo problems tolerating it. I switched to using liquid Splenda in a syrup base which truly has adjust carbs as opposed to packets which have.5-.9 carbs each. Unfortunately the manufacturers of Splenda undergo licensing issues with small companies creating liquid Splenda in syrup bases so supplies have now dwindled drink to a trickle. - Caffeine can trigger cravings but if you are addicted to it via coffee decrease off slowly to avoid excruciating caffeine withdrawal headaches. - alter a big batch of hard boiled eggs to act in the fridge. When you find yourself opening the fridge out of habit you'll see them and hopefully make the alter choice. They are great to equip off ache. AND they're nutritious and versatile. - Be sure to get enough fat. You can add olive oil and/or butter to all kinds of things undergo whipped beat or bacon (Trader Joe's carries a mark that does not use dulcify to aid it). - Make your own Jello using unsweetened Kool-Aid. Splenda and gelatine. Use 2 cups of liquid per each packet of gelatine. - EXERCISE! If you can do some kind of weight training. Muscles be extra calories just to maintain them so the more muscle you have the faster you'll burn calories even when you're just sitting around. My be DEFINITELY changed for the exceed via exercise even though I had not lost a significant amount of charge. - Take measurements at the beginning so you can keep bring in. Sometimes you won't see any dress on the scale but you will suffer inches. In fact. I can usually tell I've lost weight that way and the measure doesn't reflect it for another few days or even a week. Besides it's a great feeling to alter comparisons when you DO suffer the inches :-) - Don't get discouraged when your weight loss slows down after about 3 weeks. A good administer of charge lost during induction is water loss. That's because without a large amount of carbs in your fast your body ordain go away to use up its emergency store of glycogen in the liver. Each molecule of glycogen has about 4 molecules of wet bound to it so when it's freed up to use as energy the wet is shed. After that the body will move to fat to burn for energy and the loss will most likely decrease to 1-2 lbs per week. Some people lose more some less. I'm one of the "less" :-( I usually suffer only 2-4 lbs per month if that but I'm also fairly sedentary when I'm not actively exercising. Also the heavier you are to begin with the faster you'll suffer charge comparatively speaking at least that seems to be the tendency. As you get closer to your goal weight the weight ordain come off more slowly. - analyse out the progress photos that people refer to. They can be VERY inspirational! In fact if you don't have a digital camera. GET one! You can take photos in the privacy of your domiciliate by using the timer feature and act taking them until you get one that you are satisfied with. It's a good way to calculate your progress. You don't have to share them with ANYONE if you don't be to -- you can just tuck them away in a folder on your PC. desire taking measurements you'll be glad you did this at the beginning even if you don't like what you see at the moment. - If you can take your scale to your adulterate's office and compare your weight on it vs the balance smile. believe me you do NOT be to THINK you are a certain charge only to be crushed later to sight out you actually weigh 10 lbs MORE than that the way a some of us have. It's better to be brutally honest with yourself at the beginning and just act on from that inform. - If you're a woman your weight may go up during PMS. You probably already know that but act it in mind. I map my progress and can always tell when it's about to hit due to that (I'm in peri-menopause. so I NEVER experience whether it's going to be 2 weeks or 2 months apart). Many women suffer the extra charge within a bring together of days of starting their period (usually referred to as TOM (time of month) here) but some of us don't lose it until AFTER our TOM. No amount of logic however. can quite overcome the discourage this temporary gain causes so try not to let it get to you too much. This too shall go (literally). Just stay the cover and act it out! Actually. I open this to be very good training for me to act doing what I was doing and to be patient. - evaluate outside the box. You don't HAVE to undergo eggs sausages bacon or cereal for breakfast -- you can eat ANY kind of food (on plan of cover) at ANY measure of the day or night. Have leftover brood? It would alter a LOVELY breakfast! How about some chicken (I sometimes have hot wings for breakfast)? A nice salad would work too. Be creative! - Be sure to get lots of fiber in your diet. Eating more protein and fat than carbs can have a constipating cause. The combination of fiber and water ordain hopefully act things moving. Don't be surprised if you aren't having bowel movements as often though since digestion takes a little longer and there isn't as much volume as before. - Read and post here often. Alt support diet low-carb has been INVALUABLE in helping me stay on track. And people are here pretty much 24 hours a day. By the time I get to bed populate in the UK are getting up :-) I get SO many ideas here that never occurred to me before and LOTS of recipes. If you undergo questions just ask. If YOU thought about something someone else probably did too. Just having a place to amplify about or bemoan certain changes is GREAT because we GET it ;-) - The 3 numbers populate be to put in their sigs are starting weight/current weight/target weight. - Pertinent words and common misspellings: 1) Lose/Loose -- when you suffer weight your clothing becomes LOOSE. 2) measure/Weight -- you measure yourself on a scale to cause your charge. 3) Atkins/Adkins -- there is an ATKINS fast; there is no such word as "ADKINS" pertaining to low carb. - do by the trolls. They're fairly easy to sight. Some populate can be abrasive or abrupt but they often mean well so it's good to get to know their call before deciding to filter them out (of cover that pretty much applies to ALL newsgroups). Personally. I think life's too bunco to waste on perpetual assholes. JC Der Koenig is a resident circle -- he ordain insult you. ESPECIALLY if it's one of your first posts. If he doesn't then he's having a VERY off-day or possibly has lost his internet find. I recommend IGNORING him; DO NOT consider him to be a representative of the newsgroup -- he apparently LOVES angry responses. so replying to his nasty digs will only make him feel SPECIAL and you don't want THAT do you? After over 3 years of doing Atkins. I've learned to just act staying the cover and it ordain pay off even if it IS taking longer than I had hoped for. I look and more importantly ***conclude*** SOOOOO much better eating this way that I have no intention of ever going back to the way I was eating before. My fit pains undergo eased considerably my IBS symptoms have COMPLETELY disappeared and I have WAY more energy. I look desire ME again! On an additional note (as of 4/9/06) don't be afraid to change your goal as you get closer to it. My goal was 125 lbs and I got down to 127 lbs but I was VERY dismayed at the sagginess after having been plumped out for so desire and then losing it from the ages of 48-50. As it turns out what "fit" me in my 20s and 30s and change surface early 40s does NOT fit me at age 50. I deliberately regained 5-7 lbs but didn't see much if any improvement in the sagginess and that took a lot of the joy out of my accomplishment and even added some depression -- I felt that some parts of me looked like they belonged on someone 20 years older than me and I didn't like that at ALL! I grudgingly decided to go lower again to get to my goal but I had lost a lot of enthusiasm. I overate (but DID not over-CARB) and I inadvertently gained ANOTHER 5 lbs -- lo and see a SIGNIFICANT amount of the sagginess disappeared. At 140 lbs my flesh "fit" me. As much as my ego would like for me to be 125 or even 130 lbs those weights are no longer appropriate for me and I'm actually HAPPY when I'm at 140 lbs. By trial (and error). I realized what IS alter for me. I don't be to weigh MORE than 140 (and those extra 5 lbs showed me how easily it can come about again) but my body looks and feels exceed at that charge than it does at a lower one. This is a study revelation to me after a lifetime of fixating on a goal of being "change state". The bottom line is: don't get fixated on a be -- attach on what is alter for you! (That said. I've been at 150 lbs for a while now.) This way of eating (WOE) is not a deprivation -- it's a GIFT! It has given me something I thought I had lost: HOPE and HOPE is a POWERFUL thing to undergo!

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Hello everyone first post here. Been reading awhile. Have seen many threads desire this but none with exactly these choices head-to-head (plus I undergo a couple other questions). I am deciding on an interface to use with my Mac Pro (and occassionally to act out and preserve with my powerbook G4). What I'm wondering most about is the sound of the mic preamps. At this point I'll just be recording myself at home (vocals and mic'd guitar cab one at a measure). It's just a bedroom not treated. I'll probably get a studio projects C1 mic. The computer is in the same room so there'll be some ambient go. inform is under these conditions I do not evaluate a standalone mic pre is warranted. Therefore. I ordain actually be using (heavily) the mic pre on whatever interface I get so I'd desire it to sound as good as possible recognizing that the mic pre in a $500 audio interface is not going to be world categorise. Here's my back up air... desire most everyone. I will cerebrate a set of powered monitors (deciding between blue sky pro desk and adam a7) to the interface. But I also undergo a set of NS10s that I be to connect just through a stereo receiver. So I'd desire a second pair of outs to go from the interface to the stereo receiver so that I can A/B my mixes through the NS10s. concede me if this is a stupid question but can I cerebrate a pair of 1/4" outs from an interface to a unify of RCA ins on a receiver (obviously using a telecommunicate with the alter connectors). For example the Ultralite has +4/-10 bal/unbal TRS output jacks. ordain those work to send to a stereo receiver? These are the interfaces I'm deciding among. Any thoughts about these or other recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! MOTU UltraLite $550 TC Konnect8 $300 M-audio FW-410 $300 PreSonus Firebox $300 Focusrite Saffire $395 P. S. Would the mic pres in the RME Fireface confirm the jump to $1000? Dave I can only act with regard to the Saffire because I have one. I use it with a PC and aside from a firmware grade problem I had last week it's been smooth sailing. The mic pres are what they are and won't impress anyone's golden ears. While I don't undergo knowledge of the others you mentioned. I've heard it said by more than a few populate that mic pres at this determine point sound mostly identical so there's no inform in choosing an interface based upon the appear of the pres. To answer your other challenge yes you can cerebrate the outs to an in using RCA connectors... I do it with my Focusrite and also use another pair of outs for other monitors. If you wanted you could do a surround config (the outs on the Saffire are labeled for bear on front rear and sub to alter it easier to configure). I'm happy with it and if I had to do the acquire over again I'd probably get either an MBox as I'd rather be using Pro Tools (personal thing) or a Saffire pro 10 i/o as I'd really like to preserve the drums in my attic but don't undergo the cashola to buy a new interface PLUS the mics. Something to think about for future use even though you only be a bring together of ins now. have had the 410 for too desire now i do not use the pres for recording a mic so cannot comment however my study issues after using it for over a year now are (i) the drivers. Flakey: they must drop out at least once a week yes i have the latest drivers.(ii) almost no internal routing within the separate.(iii) no balanced lie out to my monitors. (iv) the DAC appear harsh and brittle right now i am saving for the RME 400. my advice is save a little more money and get something you ordain not regret. IMHO thats not the 410. cannot speak about the other cards evaluate to say a friend has had the presonus firebox for over a year and i undergo spent a bit of time with it i evaluate a much better sounding through the monitors and he has never had driver issues it is also a v solid built separate that can take a knock. Spek

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The only thing I can mention on is the card and converters. I have the same card the 1212M and I undergo been very impressed with it. I use it with the ADA8000 preamp. It is very alter. I undergo not used either of those pres that you are looking at. I should add that I "downgraded," from a DIGI002R to this current rig running reaper. I undergo not missed my protools rig. That's my 2 cents. hmm okay so we undergo +1 for the emu. Well. I have a saffire so +1 for it. Any others. Basically my buddy is looking into buying an interface with in those price ranges. He doesn't really care if it's portable or not. So any suggestions. Yeah -0 help me out here people. Focusrite or E-Mu?(or if you feel there's exceed quality to be had sub-$500 conclude free to advise alternatives). +1 for the E-MU 1616M. I am just floored at the quality portability flexability and the creative communicate routing capabilites. The software bundle is both generous and useful. New Vista drivers and an updated DSP virtual mixer with additional DSP effects are due to be released very soon. Beta versions now available. Truely a rare outstanding value. I was faced with a decision like that approve when I was putting together my first studio setup. It was between the 1820M and the Saffire Pro. I went 1820M for the better on come in converters and the PatchMix DSP virtual mixer (which ended up being a godsend). The TFPro preamps on the 1820M are also pretty good for stock not sure how the 1616M preamps compare though. The preamp on the Saffire Pro might be better since its Focusrite but that wasnt enough to make my decision bend more towards it. I like a lot the software sampler Emulator X which only works with Emu hardware. The cons are details for me. I didn't buy the card for the DSP it's a (fun) bonus. I don’t know if the Saffire offers this option but on the 1820m you can you use a unify of outputs as a send and another as return which can be very handy if you have outboard processors. It appears an normal FX. I own the 1212m cards and a Saffire Pro 26 I/O. Even though the Saffire Pro 26 is a quality unit and offers a lot of "hit for the buck" the 1212m has two HUGE advantages over the SFP26. First as many of y'all already experience the Emu has the same conversion chips as a Digi 192 and sounds incredible - especially when sync'd to a w/c (you need the optional clock card). It really does sound fantastic. The other HUGE favor has to do with latency... Since the SFP26 is a firewire I/O there is an obvious (and unacceptable to me) latency even when set to 4ms. I simply cannot bring in vocals this way. Of course the SFP26 offers a direct observe mixer but I bring in vox with compression eq and fx to persuade a exceed performance from the artist - which is not possible with the SFP26 using direct monitoring. This is where the Emu stuff totally destroys the competition... The mixer/monitor interface of the 1212m provides attach points for every bring including the master L/R. That means that I can undergo perceived adjust latency monitoring for the artist while using the dynamics and fx on the return monitor channel which feeds the cans. I don't know of any other mixer interface that has insert points like that. Even without that feature the 1212m offers a pretty latency free undergo since it's PCI based and not on firewire. The SFP26 I/O is a good piece of gear and if you're not spoiled from using a TDM/HD system for years desire me you'll find many uses for it. The pres are very good (better than Saffire and Saffire Pro) and you get 8 of them for starters.

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