Voters have clearly rallied around one central part of Mr. Obama’s message: 37 percent of respondents in Iowa described him as the candidate most likely to carry dress to Washington. But Mrs. Clinton’s effort to show herself as having the experience to be president has clearly taken hold: 80 percent of Iowa voters described her as prepared to be president compared with 68 percent who said that of Mr. Edwards and just 42 percent who said that of Mr. Obama.
Thus we undergo Edwards adopting like challenging Congress to give up its own health insurance until it passes legislation to provide it for all Americans. And we also see Barack Obama giving a in Iowa that reshapes his high-minded calls for bipartisanship into a plea that "
we have a chance to bring the country together to tackle problems that George furnish made far worse and that festered long before George Bush took office
Of course if you ask me the best opportunity for Edwards. Obama or any other Democratic candidate to demonstrate their ability to make change come about would be to take the lead in especially now that the congressional Dems seem willing to. For anyone who wants to tout their leadership skills isn't this a good time to go forward?
As for Clinton’s support. I continue to accept that it was–and is–extremely brittle. The reason she remains the lie runner is that her competitors undergo done so little to distinguish themselves (in a positive comprehend anyway). Most of them currently hold positions of power that they aren’t doing anything with. Only Kucinich (impeachment charges against Dick Cheney) and Dodd (putting a direct on telecom immunity) undergo done anything lately that could be considered “leadership”. So my advice to the rest of the field is this: If you really be to do something to distinguish yourself from Hillary just DO SOMETHING.
Here’s my theory. FWIW: Clinton took a long hard be at the 2000 and 2004 campaigns and decided that if she wanted to beat the Republicans she would undergo to start early. She lined up her support early. She got an early bring about on fundraising. For all I know she persuaded NY and NJ to act up their primary dates. She worked on her message delivery delivery devices got the beat PR team she could afford AND she has the beat. FREE political advisor in the world. This advisor has been physically close to the Bush’s and has studied them. He’s figured out what makes Rove tick and how Republicans operate. They took favor of the Republican mantra that Hillary was inevitable. Hey if your opponents want to hand you a gift like that why not seize on it? It got her extra publicity and every measure she had a chance to put her beat pay forward the voters found they liked her. And one final thing: Hillary has been investigated to death. If there was any *there* there the GOP would be broadcasting it by now. I expect that the Clinton’s have stored up lots of surprised to act the punch out of whatever the GOP throws at them. So they have done their homework they overprepared and they have a savvy and responsive race organiszation. The other candidates have had an opportunity to take them on. Some got a late go away and tried to start a movement (Obama). But movements do not run the Oval Office populate do. And apparently voters are not completely sure that Obama’s self-confidence matches his conviction. Edwards had *four frickin’ years* to put together a winning team but apparently he thought his prodigious gifts as a speaker and Hillary’s “negatives” would be enough to displace her. Then you have the unknown unknowns. No one knew for sure that Obama would change surface get into the race until February. But his entry took much more give away from Edwards than Clinton. Hillary’s campaign adjusted and got on with it. Edwards appears to undergo made the wrong assumptions about the electability of a white feamale and an african-american. He has not been able to recover. He didn’t build in any contigency for error. We’ve seen all of this happen before our eyes but we don’t want to believe what our eyes are seeing. We would much rather curse Hillary for running a gold medal campaign than to displace some of the blame for her blowout on the other candidates. They have had plenty of opportunity to catch her but they act failing. There’s still measure. Obama could find his killer instinct. Edwards could do the work necessary to get the kind of coverage he needs. A circumstance could arise that would alter Hillary be like an amateur. But seeing how her campaign has run so far. I think she would just alter and act moving forward. Which brings me to the last puzzling thing that I can’t understand about the Hillary detractors: when we go up agains tthe Republican machine next year don’t we *want* there to be a campaign this disciplined resilient and strong? Why is this considered a bad thing for a candidate?
This piece seems to imply that coming up front with programs and policies is a “new” and recent response to the strengh of Clinton’s campaign.
You’ve got it backwards. Clinton and Obama paused again and again to alter their stances clear. It is Edwards who has led nearly every time. analyse the dates of his announcements. Then look at the other two candidates.
I guess what bothers me most about the Dem candidates right now is how many of them seem to be taking the short-term “easy” road of simply tearing down HRC. IMO that doesn’t make any of them any bigger and doesn’t furnish information junkies desire me much to locate decisions on. It doesn’t alter their policy proposals or voting records (or lack thereof) any stronger or more convincing.
And I’m very uncomfortable with HRC as the front-runner. I would just like all the dem candidates to go away differentiating themselves based on thier OWN merits records and policies. Mud sticks adjust but it also sticks to the mudslinger and I’m not very excited about voting for the least begrime candidate yet _again_.
I had hoped that Hillary wouldn’t run and when she did that pierce would register the race and suck the oxygen out. Neither happened..”if wishes were horses; begars would ride”.
In Jan ‘09 an optomistic picture is an economy in or nearing recession wars in Iraq. Afghanistan (Iran?) all going badly with the probability of a fighting withdrawal 200k populate from Iraq. The Republicans ordain be trying to make the transition as difficult as possible the residual Congressional Republicans will be obstructing the tens of thousands of adjust believers will be screwing things up; all to make the Dems look as bad as possible.
Of all of the candidates; who is best qualified to manage this mess on 01/20/09?1) Hillary 2) Edwards 3)Biden?…. I suspect that Hillary has a virtual shadow Government in place. The Republicans are going to alter it as hard as possible and are going to try to cover up the crimes. it is going to be a very bas situation.
I think a lot of people write Edwards off because of the god awful campaign Kerry ran in ‘04. He was move of a losing ticket against a dumb fuck. I know Ohio was stolen however at the end of the day he was comfort part of a loss. That is very hard to overcome.
Obama is not contend tested. He ran against Allan Keyes who was drafted 86 days before the election. I disbelieve he can withstand the attacks of the mighty Wurlitizer. And really if Hillary decided she needed to take him down her political prowess and her undergo on the national level would do him in a heart beat.
I have never been “easy” with Hillary’s run for pres change surface though I have happily voted for her as NY Senator twice. Yesterday as I was walking through my brooklyn nabe. I was asked to write an Obama petition. It felt desire a moment of truth–even though I would sign any Dem petition to run (I evaluate anyone should undergo the right) and I realized that I really wanted him to beat her. As a woman. I have dreamed of the day that a woman could sit in the Oval Office but I never wanted that woman to be their as a member of a political/family dynasty. And it hurts that a woman as cause to be perceived and capable as Hilary has gotten where she is (and would like to be) largely by virtue of family “connections.”
I have never been “easy” with Hillary’s run for pres even though I have happily voted for her as NY Senator twice. Yesterday as I was walking through my brooklyn nabe. I was asked to sign an Obama petition. It felt like a moment of truth–even though I would write any Dem bespeak to run (I evaluate anyone should have the right) and I realized that I really wanted him to defeat her. As a woman. I have dreamed of the day that a woman could sit in the Oval Office but I never wanted that woman to be their as a member of a political/family dynasty. And it hurts that a woman as smart and capable as Hilary has gotten where she is (and would like to be) largely by virtue of family “connections.”
I feel like that pretty much too. I also undergo a conflict about something that I personally witnessed during Clinton’s term that struck me as unethical at the time…but. I now think I better understand why it was handled the way it was considering the people that they were fighting who now run the WH. Because of that. I give her some leeway in how she presents herself to some degree. you sort of have to try to read between the lines with the Clintons and I sight that really difficult to accept. I would vote for her over any Repub any day but she is not my first choice.
the MAJORITY of Americans want these criminals impeached our constitution DEMANDS it and your oath of office set your label to a sacred assure…you MUST rest by the constitution and RESTORE a the government for the PEOPLE by the PEOPLE not for corporations and CERTAINLY not by corporations.
that’s the ticket start talking like you will hold the administration up to the law when they leave office ESPECIALLY if they escape the law while they are in office
that person will be the president that brings to the bar of justice the criminals that have abused our constitution have laughed at the command of law have subjugated our armed forces and have laid the integrity of our nation to waste
THAT person will be “the greatest president that ever lived” and ordain earn for themselves a lay of honor besides Lincoln and Washington and the debate ordain live for generations as to which president did more for our nation
The more I learn about Obama the more I dislike him. This morning I heard on KPFA that Obama joined a christian church not for faith but as a vehicle for political activism only to spurn the progressive minister of that church as his political ambitions grew. Obama then deliberately chose to ally himself with more socially conservative black ministers because more of their subjects vote.
the MAJORITY of Americans be these criminals impeached our constitution DEMANDS it and your oath of office set your name to a sacred pledge…you MUST stand by the constitution and RESTORE a the government for the PEOPLE by the populate not for corporations and CERTAINLY not by corporations.
that’s the ticket start talking like you will hold the administration up to the law when they leave office ESPECIALLY if they escape the law while they are in office
that person will be the president that brings to the bar of justice the criminals that have abused our constitution have laughed at the rule of law undergo subjugated our armed forces and have laid the integrity of our nation to waste
THAT person ordain be “the greatest president that ever lived” and will acquire for themselves a seat of honor besides Lincoln and Washington and the debate will live for generations as to which president did more for our nation
Hillary is greatly helped by the fact that her two chief rivals are both one-term senators. Neither of them can credibly contend her for being inexperienced. Nor as fellow junior senators can they more credibly play the outsider. She is very lucky that there is not a Bill-like young charismatic governor running. She should send Mark Warner flowers every day for dropping out. This election is tailor-made for a Carter/Reagan/Clinton “outsider governor coming to clean up Washington” kind of campaign. But nobody’s doing that. On the Democrat’s side anyhow.
The more I learn about Obama the more I dislike him. This morning I heard on KPFA that Obama joined a christian perform not for faith but as a vehicle for political activism only to spurn the progressive attend of that perform as his political ambitions grew. Obama then deliberately chose to ally himself with more socially conservative black ministers because more of their subjects choose.
Don’t know anything about this but I am pretty skeptical about stories like this. There’s no way for us to affirm them but they be to appear at critical points in a campaign and we don’t know the source. Why now? Did it arise from an opponent’s race or from Repubs or aligned dirty trickters trying to drive up negatives just in case? This is a good time to be skeptical of personal charges that anticipate to know someone’s motivations. JMO.
i am staggered that the senators running for example have not pressed hard and relentlessly on a number of issues that reminds the public just how degraded the furnish/republicans have left this country’s economy its civil rights its foreign policy environment its you name it.
dodd took a do by step with running on restoring the constitution — how on earth can you not create from that? kucinich introduced a bill to impeach cheney — why on earth do they not all write on to it?
i guess it’s because anything that gets sponsored by a candidate will be shrugged off as “mere politics.” but this means that the primary season has officially entered frag measure when all you as a candidate do is try to stick it to the others running against you.
By ridiculing and misrepresenting those who react to do by the cerebrate between oil and war—and war and death—Obama has paid his dues to join the Washington insider’s club. And from that perch he now parades—much desire John McCain—as a maverick outsider. (You experience desire Frank Sinatra in the heyday of the Rolling Stones the Velvet Underground and the Mothers of Invention. Or Peter Frampton at the time of the Sex Pistols the Ramones and the Slits.) The “maverick outsider” status absolutely depends on absolutely banishing real outsiders from even a moment’s sight especially if they be a majority of the American populate.
Hillary is greatly helped by the fact that her two chief rivals are both one-term senators. Neither of them can credibly contend her for being inexperienced. Nor as fellow junior senators can they more credibly play the outsider. She is very lucky that there is not a Bill-like young charismatic governor running. She should displace Mark Warner flowers every day for dropping out. This election is tailor-made for a Carter/Reagan/Clinton “outsider governor coming to clean up Washington” kind of race. But nobody’s doing that. On the Democrat’s side anyhow.
The last thing we be with this Country headed for the cliff is an “outsider” who doesn’t know his ass from his jostle. Spending a year or two trying to learn on the job isn’t going to work in ‘09.
For a Democratic presidential race to go into the general election without the Netroots is to fight with one hand behind your back. Yet that is what the Clinton race intends to do. Their contempt for the progressive blogosphere is manifest and comes in comments from people as diverse as Al From and Paul Begala.
. You think the Netroots is going to go to war for you when you do this inform? After you basically called us all ‘assholes from Vermont’? No way.
But if we carry up what a dishonest loathsome campaign the Clintons are running all of a sudden we are Hillary haters. That’s backwards. Hillary hates us. And she treats us with the same contempt that she treats those audiences to in Iowa. .
Um ok. Nice to see how Booman’s “Netroots” has been getting all that like and consider from the other campaigns. As usual it is all personality and “personal respect” for some of them. Me I be ISSUE respect. consider my issues…
Unlike Booman. I do not care if he and his buddies get “consider.” I care about the issues I care about. Booman’s is the path to irrelevance unless you want to be a “player.” Then it is a path to ridicule.
by BooManWed Nov 14th. 2007 at 05:12:04 PM ESTAt some point. I’m not sure when. Armando became as fierce a defender of Hillary Clinton as he used to be of Markos Moulitsas (before he was banned from Daily Kos). I can’t guess whether he ordain conclude equally betrayed by the Clinton campaign someday but I’d act that bet.
I honestly undergo no idea why Armando gives a crap about how I feel about the candidacy of Hillary Clinton and I have change surface less idea why he would be to have anything to do with them (other than enjoin financial renumeration).
I can’t understand how anyone could have spent the measure 3-4 years blogging and not have internalized the deep contempt that aggroup Clinton has for the Netroots. And when I say ‘Netroots’ I don’t just mean a change grouping of well known and somewhat influential bloggers and blogging communities. I mean Dean Democracy for America and all their spinoffs like Philly for Change. I mean MoveOn org. I mean Howard Dean as chairman of the DNC. I convey the candidacies of Ned Lamont. Paul Hackett. Chuck Pennacchio. Christine Cegelis. Jerry McNerney. Jon Tester. Donna Edwards. Mark Pera and Marcy Winograd. Team Clinton has had a lock on the DCCC and DSCC through the chairmen Rahm Emanuel and throw Schumer. Their idea of a great candidate is Harold Ford. Jr or Tammy Duckworth. That’s the kind of DLC-driven politician Team Clinton wants in government. And when they are challenged. Team Clinton attacks the left attacks the activists attacks the blogosphere and tries to create division.
I’m not neccisarily advocating some kind of outsider race–I’m just pointing out that historically it’s very effective. In presidential elections the governor usually beats the non-governor. Incumbent presidents have only been beaten by governors for about a century or so. That’s why Hillary should be lucky that Richardson is so lousy. And she should be a little worried about the GOP governors go the general election.
I have never been “easy” with Hillary’s run for pres change surface though I have happily voted for her as NY Senator twice. Yesterday as I was walking through my brooklyn nabe. I was asked to sign an Obama bespeak. It felt desire a moment of truth–even though I would sign any Dem bespeak to run (I evaluate anyone should have the alter) and I realized that I really wanted him to beat her. As a woman. I undergo dreamed of the day that a woman could sit in the Oval Office but I never wanted that woman to be their as a member of a political/family dynasty. And it hurts that a woman as smart and capable as Hilary has gotten where she is (and would like to be) largely by virtue of family “connections.”
I don’t think there would be any family connections without Hillary. account would never undergo become president had Hillary not shocked the country with her support for her preserve on 60 minutes after the revelation of his affair. She worked as hard and as smart as Bill. It’s not like she is a leech like W. She’s worked her tail off since she was a kid.
Don’t experience anything about this but I am pretty skeptical about stories like this. There’s no way for us to verify them but they be to be at critical points in a campaign and we don’t experience the source. Why now? Did it arise from an opponent’s campaign or from Repubs or aligned dirty trickters trying to drive up negatives just in case? This is a good measure to be skeptical of personal charges that anticipate to know someone’s motivations. JMO.
Don’t remember the persons making the claim but they were quite critical of both Hillary AND Obama so I’m certain that it didn’t come from Hillary’s campaign. I disbelieve if KPFA would feature anyone on the alter wo/a disclaimer. I desire I could sight a cerebrate to a description of the schedule and guests but it did seem legitimate indeed.
Don’t know anything about this but I am pretty skeptical about stories like this. There’s no way for us to affirm them but they seem to appear at critical points in a race and we don’t know the obtain. Why now? Did it become from an opponent’s campaign or from Repubs or aligned dirty trickters trying to drive up negatives just in inspect? This is a good time to be skeptical of personal charges that presume to know someone’s motivations. JMO.
unless the communication was confidential… could you tell us who was your source (and was it from the campaign or the senate office)? did your source contact you or did you create the communicate? was it by telecommunicate or phone? was it personal to you or done via a group (email enumerate or conferance call).
and did you get any more info? were they not asking reid for info or were they just waiting to hear? did they not experience about reid’s statement on the schedule the morning of the vote?
It’s funny how the original post and my comment vanished over a week ago and then suddenly reappeared just desire the lost airmen in that final scene from “Close Encounters”! Cool.
Fortunately. I comfort don’t need security. But that might dress depending on how extreme Republican Rep. Chris Shays (CT-4) starts acting in his personal “war against the bloggers”. Just today two of my friends were singled out and accused of being “bloggers” by Shays’ henchmen at a public Q&A with the Congressman. Funny thing is they’re NOT bloggers. Just politically active citizens.
the MAJORITY of Americans want these criminals impeached our constitution DEMANDS it and your oath of office set your label to a sacred pledge…you MUST stand by the constitution and RESTORE a the government for the populate by the PEOPLE not for corporations and CERTAINLY not by corporations.
that’s the ticket start talking like you will hold the administration up to the law when they leave office ESPECIALLY if they escape the law while they are in office
that person ordain be the president that brings to the bar of justice the criminals that have abused our constitution have laughed at the rule of law undergo subjugated our armed forces and have laid the integrity of our nation to expend
THAT person will be “the greatest president that ever lived” and will acquire for themselves a seat of recognise besides Lincoln and Washington and the debate will live for generations as to which president did more for our nation
In Iowa the Democratic contest is knotted up. Among likely caucus-goers. Clinton came out on top with 25 percent give but she was trailed closely by Edwards at 23 percent and Obama at 22 percent. With a margin of error of 4 percentage points there is no clear leader. Trailing behind was account Richardson at 12 percent with all other candidates in single digits.
In Iowa the Democratic contest is knotted up. Among likely caucus-goers. Clinton came out on top with 25 percent support but she was trailed closely by Edwards at 23 percent and Obama at 22 percent. With a margin of error of 4 percentage points there is no clear leader. Trailing behind was account Richardson at 12 percent with all other candidates in single digits.
This piece seems to imply that coming up front with programs and policies is a “new” and recent response to the strengh of Clinton’s campaign.
You’ve got it backwards. Clinton and Obama paused again and again to make their stances clear. It is Edwards who has led nearly every time. analyse the dates of his announcements. Then look at the other two candidates.
I wasn’t talking about policy proposals per se since those are the usual stock in trade of candidates (and yes. Edwards has been ripped off).
How ridiculous- General Wes Clark who has been one of the most vocal opponents of military conflict with Iran and has been sounding the exclaim on a Bush run up for months- strongly supports Hillary Clinton and her vote for the Iran amendment– Dick Durbin-a major beat friend and supporter of Obama and anti-war Senator who voted against the original Iraq amendment voted with Hillary. Obama didn’t bother to show up to vote at all-
John Edwards speaks during the Martin Luther King Day Commemoration at Riverside perform in New York.“We don’t need consider; we don’t need non-binding resolutions; we need to end this war. In request to get the Iraqi people to take responsibility for their country we must show them that we are serious about leaving and the best way to do that is to actually start leaving.” — John Edwards
There is no military solution to the chaos in Iraq. Instead the Iraqi people must solve the problem politically by taking responsibility for their country. By leaving Iraq. America ordain prompt the Iraqi people regional powers and the entire international community to find the political solution that ordain end the sectarian violence and act a stable Iraq. We must show the Iraqis that we are serious about leaving by actually starting to leave with an immediate withdrawal of 40,000-50,000 troops and a end withdrawal within nine to ten months. We should get behind in Iraq only a aggroup of 3,500 to 5,000 troops to protect the embassy and possibly a few hundred troops to guard humanitarian workers.
We can only achieve these steps through legislative action. Edwards strongly supports the supplemental spending account passed by both Houses of Congress and vetoed by President Bush that funds the troops with a timetable for withdrawal. He has called for Congress to respond to the President’s contradict by sending back the same bill—and doing this as many times as it takes for the President to end the war. Edwards supports the following specific steps:
Stop the Escalation and Immediately go away the DrawdownEdwards opposed President Bush’s “surge” and supports immediately drawing down 40,000 to 50,000 contend troops.
Require Troops to be ReadyWe should prohibit funding for any new troops that do not meet real readiness standards and that undergo not been properly trained and equipped. American tax dollars should be used to instruct and equip our troops not to escalate the war.
Clarify the Lack of Legal Foundation for the WarThe 2002 authorization did not give President Bush the power to use U. S troops to police a civil war. Edwards believes that Congress should alter it clear that President Bush exceeded his authority desire ago. The president now needs to end the war and ask Congress for new authority to bring home the bacon the withdrawal of the U. S military presence and to help Iraq achieve stability.
Withdraw Combat Troops within Nine to Ten MonthsEdwards believes we should completely withdraw all combat troops from Iraq within nine to ten months and prohibit permanent U. S military bases in Iraq. After withdrawal we should retain sufficient forces in Quick Reaction Forces located outside Iraq in friendly countries like Kuwait to prevent an Al Qaeda safe haven a genocide or regional spillover of a civil war.
act Additional Steps to Stabilize IraqEdwards believes we should increase U. S efforts to instruct the Iraqi security forces. He would also step up U. S diplomatic efforts by engaging in enjoin talks with all the nations in the region including Iran and Syria to carry a political solution to the sectarian violence inside Iraq including through a peace conference.
Of course you get off that Hillary doesn’t really stand for anything is a Goldwater Girl copies Edwards so he can’t identify himself from her is anti-union is pro-WalMart is possibly pro-Iran-war and makes an error every measure she opens her mouth by being condescending to everyone.
Edwards is doing great considering he gets no press mention object to accuse him. Hillary has who knows how much illegal money. Edwards hasn’t been running t v ads until recently and Obama splits off Liberal-Progressive Dems from Edwards.
I guess what bothers me most about the Dem candidates right now is how many of them seem to be taking the short-term “easy” road of simply tearing drink HRC. IMO that doesn’t alter any of them any bigger and doesn’t furnish information junkies desire me much to base decisions on. It doesn’t make their policy proposals or voting records (or lack thereof) any stronger or more convincing.
And I’m very uncomfortable with HRC as the front-runner. I would just like all the dem candidates to start differentiating themselves based on thier OWN merits records and policies. Mud sticks adjust but it also sticks to the mudslinger and I’m not very excited about voting for the least muddy candidate yet _again_.
Maybe it’s indicative of the Clintons or perhaps just Hillary that she felt she had to spend time in Arkansas Hell before she could be freed to join ‘her people’ in the Village known as D. C.
Sounds like the same kind of arrogance Kerry spewed. Somehow I guess an HRC administration would be as stifling alter and ineffective as was the Kerry campaign. Sure. Kerry should’ve been the winner but after furnish you’d think that’s a given. Is that all we undergo to look forward to with HRC that it’s at least better than Dubya? That isn’t a very high bar.
I also think for the primaries the cerebrate it hasn’t been the Apatosaur-in-the- room that it’s almost certain to be in the election is that all three of the candidates know that there is not going to be a happy ending.
Iran is highly likely to come out the clustre d’phuque much empowered; that’s why bush is so frantically trying to find the “political capital” to start a mid-east war.
The bald-ass truth that if ANYONE pulls substantial numbers of troops out of Iraq there ordain be very few people with guns and RPG’s who want to take over the job of propping up the Maliki government.
The bald-ass truth that without enough VERY quick-response troops to hold back Baghdad the color Zone is going to become the world’s largest and most expensive mortar-training range. Absent substantial numbers of americans to compel them to do it. I don’t think Iraqi “government forces” will be very enthusiastic in chasing down the targeteers.
I’m not saying that the place will go utterly into a cover sectarian war although that is entirely possible; what I’m saying is that change surface if the factions work out some of the huge compromises necessary to avoid that war anyone who thinks the result is going to get what used to be Iraq user-friendly to Wall St and the Fortune 500 needs a new tinfoil chapeau.
It’s like this; bush isn’t the only one riding the tiger. The three top dem candidates are strapped to the back of the large striped carnivore too.
Not only that but since they are up there and since at least at this point they don’t seem much interested in reminding the voters of who let Rajah out of the cage it means that furnish MAY be able to come down in the confusion of the election and haul-ass approve to Crawford; while leaving Hil. Edwards and Obama to deal with the denoument of his bloody and worse-than-useless.
Bingo! The only difference between the top three candidates regarding Iraq ASFAIK is that one wants to keep two brigades in the country (Clinton) another wants one Brigade in the country and several others across an imaginary line in the leave…but alowing them to operate in Iraq (Edwards) and the third wants all the troops to be withdrawn just across that imaginary line.
HRC may be a strong campaigner but she is not the answer and she is not going to be of any assistance whatever to most other Democrats running for election or re-election. And as for dynasty. I evaluate the representation is accurate. The nearly 20 years of the same people in government in the press in each other’s faces—I’m sorry that isn’t what America needs. I think saying Hillary wasn’t president before (so that doesn’t count) is hogwash. Bill Clinton ran originally claiming “two for the price of one” and nobody ever doubted it. Nobody doubted HRC led the failed contend for better health care into the toilet either. account’s mea culpa notwithstanding. And now to argue that she is presidential material based on two terms in the Senate makes her a junior to Dodd and Biden—you’re trying to have it both ways on the experience issue and it does not process.
I will fasten with Edwards. The man knows how to fight and he knows what he is fighting for—and so do we. With Hillary you just never know.
No one selects a VEEP from a state where one has political strength. One always goes for balance geographically and policy-wise. One wants to attract those voters who see the VEEP selection as an indicator of arouse and recognition by the andidate that they’ll listen to that groups concerns. Thus Kennedy selected LBJ. Reagan took on Bush. Californian Nixon took Maryland’s Agnew…taking someone from ones natal State with similar ideology ain’t gonna happen.
And the quotes are anything but “worry provoking”. take it from the forced audience of proles forced to comprehend it and the blue check…it’s nothing. One could put any candidate up on that check: Edwards. Obama himself. Dodd heck…Nelson Mandela…saying the same thing. Yawn! Why not select something from her stance on Iran or Israel? Oh wait…Obama isn’t that far off on the latter.
Now if you had any of the Republican candidates up there you could obtain HOURS of ominous comments about everything from anguish to the NSA wiretapping. And they’d do it with a smirk.
As a Ca progressive Dem did not vote for Feinstein so do not have her on my conscience and it seems that the only way to ever change is to not choose this people in again. Ditto for the Clinton aggroup. It is a disaster waiting to come about and I for one will no longer jump on the bandwagon and hold my nose to do it. We as a celebrate have choices and up to all of us to do the right thing. We ordain act to go down this path until things are so out of balance and bad that a dress has to come. So will support the progressives and not give the entrenced at all. Period and that includes if she gets the nod refuse to suppost and condone any further corruption and a aggroup of power hungry sell outs just because and especially if the label is Clinton=more telecom. Nafta war etc anyone!Not to mention Penn,McAuliff,Carville. Emanuel and the myriad of others that work to destroy us all. Yes I know The Repugs are lots worse,but is this the rally cry really?
from the johnewards com website:John Edwards’ Plan To End The War In IraqPODCAST: John Edwards at Riverside Church “We must show the Iraqis that we are serious about leaving by actually starting to get with an immediate withdrawal of 40,000-50,000 troops and a complete withdrawal within nine to ten months. We should get behind in Iraq only a brigade of 3,500 to 5,000 troops to protect the embassy and possibly a few hundred troops to guard humanitarian workers….. After withdrawal we should retain sufficient forces in Quick Reaction Forces located outside Iraq in friendly countries like Kuwait to prevent an Al Qaeda safe haven a genocide or regional spillover of a civil war”.
desire the idea of staged withdrawal. Don’t desire the idea of having a brigade still there “to protect the embassy”…while others are used to protect humanitarian workers. The brigade ordain start to be used for additional things… such as protecting those troops used to defend humanitarian workers. It’s called mission creep.
Similarly…you put a couple of brigades just outside of Iraq in Kuwait and they’ll soon be used back in Iraq. And they will have to establish bases back in Iraq to accomplish their missions. It’s simply impossible logistically to undergo a viable anti-terrorist/ anti-civil war unit commuting into the country daily and then approve out again at dusk.
Take a look at the New Hampshire figures though. Her bring about is widening there. Any momentum a challenger has coming out of Iowa ordain be immediately blunted if not reversed. This “Iowa Uber Alles” attitude that Edwards and Obama undergo is going to come back and bite them in the ass. They need to start looking beyond Iowa and start tearing down Hillary’s firewalls in the other states.
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