I went to the Magickal pass pass place cause I was going to buy a membership while I had the money before the tickets went up and low and behold I read something that greatly angered me and made me decide I would never again have anything to do with MWW. I was formerly MWW's music coordinator. Their new coordinator obliviously has no concept of Bardic Hospitality. A Bard is any Druid or Pagan for that be who act their priestly duties in the form of music storytelling or sacred performance. Through out history within European Pagan culture Bards undergo been shown great respect and even a King would not dare think to disrespect the Law of Hospitality when dealing with Bards. They was given the seat of honor guest given the finest ale/wine the finest conjoin of the main meat dish (whether lamb or venison etc..) they were provided lodging etc.. change surface later in early Christian times when a Bard was demoted to simple Minstrel they was comfort treated according to the Laws of Hospitality. If a sing went to a Inn and played the Inn Keeper would feed them and give them lodging and if they didn't that sing could destroy the Inn Keeper's business. The Law of Hospitality was very very important to our Celtic & Norse Ancestors and one was adjudicate by such. According to the MWW place they expect a musician or any other sacred performer to perform for remove with nothing in return and if they want to fasten around after they perform they have to pay. So in effect perform for us for remove then get the hell out. Not only does is disrespect Bardic Laws of Hospitality but is straight out rude. As a music promoter I undergo always treated the musicians who perform for me according to the Bardic Laws of Hospitality. Recently my friend's band "Dharma Engine performed a awesome show at the Outlaws Bar & Grill on Burnside. Outlaws put away all their normal beer glasses and pulled out these tiny plastic cups (about 2 gulps worth) & charged folks $6 for a beer. Shady but book cause they are in the business of making money. But its what they did to the band that was messed up. They actually charged the bind for their beer. That is unheard of in the music industry. Every venue gives a bind at least a 3 consume tab on the house. That tab tradition goes all the way back to the days when Inns & Taverns would cater & lodge Minstrels. I talked to overturn afterwords and told him thats wrong dude. He was like I experience we ordain never play here again. Since then Outlaws has been Blacklisted by all the high caliber bands and can only get crappy punk & thrasher bands (change surface the good ones among them won't compete there). To this day Musicians are able to enforce the Bardic Law of Hospitality upon bars & music venues. Theres another music venue that was shut down cause of it that I will write on at another measure. The inform is thats musicians to this day still be by that law even outside the Pagan community so to see a Pagan event/group violate it is shocking. Thanks to New Agers. Tradition & Pagan Etiquette & Bardic Hospitality is slowly disappearing in the Pagan Community. It seems that every single Pagan event up here in the Pacific Northwest is dominated by the vendors so its the whole New Ager's "Lets make money off of peoples spirituality". At some of these events the vendors actually out number the guest. There is way to much focus placed on the vendors and not enough on circumscribe. I realize these events need to make money in request to put on these events but folks ain't going to shell out $40 to $50 bucks and jaunt long distances to go to a glorified vending bazaar. They need quality programing and they can only get that by attracting good key speakers & performers. But they need to practice Pagan Etiquette & Bardic Hospitality if they be to draw those populate who are the ones who will draw the populate to pay good money to go to their events. Any good promoter knows the exceed you treat the performer the more you make off of their fans. Vendors can't make money if there is no customers. Speakers & Performers draw the customers so Pagan Events should displace their focus on them not the vendors & they should be focusing their Hospitality on them not the vendors. As a Druid. Pagan Etiquette & Bardic Laws of Hospitality is very very serious & several of my fellow Druids & a few of my Wiccan friends accept that I have talked to about this already. This blatant violation actually has me pissed off enough to place energy in spreading the evince to folks not to go to this or any other event who treats performers in such a manner.
I didn't know that this was posted here as well as PDX Pagans tribe. So I will write my responce to this tribe:Wow! Quite the negative and pissed off rant with out change surface speaking to the MWW committee directly about what is bothering you before airing it out in public. It is so nice when a group spends a whole year to put on an event for the community to then have to be slammed for all their hard bring home the bacon. I can understand your inform. Though there are always two sides to a coin. Here are some of the facts.1) We are a not for profit event. (Referencing the accusation of greedy) As yet we have not made a acquire in the first two years. When a acquire above what is needed to fund the next years event is made it has already been decide to share the profit out to local non-profit pagan groups. We are not about making money on the event. However it does take money to run such an event.2) All committee members still pay to attend the event ourselves we don't even get in for free yet we give countless hours of our time and energy because we accept what we are doing is a service to our community. 3) There is a system set up for presenters and performers based on the number of presentations that are given reducing their entrance fee and given enough (3) they can get in for remove. 4) The supposed emphasis on Vendors is because they do pay for the space they use and that is how many events are able to fund the event. As well as unlike a 50 minute performance most vendors ordain pay the entire day at their booth and not be able to attend the panels that their space contract has helped to facilitate. 5) In the pass of 06 MWW ran finance raising concerts. (A sincere Thank you again Gypsy for your efforts in that corner.) All the performers received a remove go to MWW 07. Those performers were very generous with their measure and energy and we reciprocated in kind with a remove pass. They did act for come up over 2 hours and received refreshment. The example above about the club owner is not an apples' to apples' example. The unify owner was making a acquire off of the musician's performance by selling beer and even that was a rip off to the public. I accept that was just not ok and rude. (MWW had absolutely nothing to do with that example) The difference here is that we are not making any money off the performers. We are offering lay for the performers to showcase their talent and sell their wares for FREE. In other words they do not have to rent the space to sell their wares like the vendors. I think that is a fair transfer of energy. We are asking as a community service to both those attending the event and as a means for the performers to advertise to a very receptive community. Also unlike Spiral Rhythms we are not a music festival. Our attendees are not there for the intend of attending a concert. Our emphasis is on sharing information across the paths so that we can change in our understanding of the various pagan paths; help act a sense of community and furnish an indoor pass measure event. The cater back from the measure two years of attendees is that they are more interested in learning during the day and drumming/dancing at night. They also asked for more ritual which will be happening this year. I'm relatively sure that when we arrive an attendance level that the event is making a profit we will gladly offer free passes to our presenters and performers. We are comfort new and do not have the means as of yet to be as generous with the free passes as we might desire to be. We are not asking more of the music performers than we are of any other presenters. I would like to say that I esteem my fellow committee members for giving their time and energy as a service to our community. We are not paid in any way we pay to be and many of us fund various parts of the event out of our pockets. I'm rather upset at being called greedy as it is just not true and rather mean. I will also send out thanks to all the other non-profit event coordinators for offering up festivals and events that we can all attend as we wish and building our comprehend of community. I so love it when I get to see populate at festival that I otherwise would not be able to see on a yearly basis. So a big THANK YOU:OWOW for Sun Fest. M. A. G. I. C for turn Rhythms and other events throughout the year. Sister Sprit for Pagan Faire. Nine Houses for Fall Equinox and Publishing Open Ways. Pagan experience coordinators past and show,And any other of my fellow pagans for volunteering your time and energy to our community. be in like and JoyWith like light and gratitudeKaTerraMWW Committee P. S. I really desire the idea of setting out the cauldron of plenty so that our attendees can directly show their appreciation to the performers.
Since this go seems to have bled from the PDX pagans tribe to the general pagan community outside of Portland. I'll ad another 2 cents here as an even organizer:turn Rhythms has a handful of musicians and workshop hosts that show up and only get free entry and food. But each one of them costs the organization $17.50 in site fees insurance and food. Last year we had over 20 people on that list so that adds up to over $350. At our book determine that's about what 5 paid attendees would bring in. My anticipate is that MWW also has a "per head" cost. So you can see there is no such thing as a remove lunch. Logically we must figure this into the entire cost of putting on the event. If we cannot afford to pay that cost we can't evaluate these populate to show up for remove. Music is Magick and desire any magick you get approve from it what you put into it. On the other hand.... There's a difference between professional musicians and the populate who pick up their guitars when they get domiciliate from their real jobs. Pros are more entertaining undergo put more practice into their crafts and invested in it as a career. Amateurs no matter how talented don't sink the same be of energy into their art--it's always a hobby for them. Now while some people have fun showing off their hobbies. Spiral Rhythms hires pros and we pay them a decent contend. (Would you show up for bring home the bacon if you thought you would "maybe" get paid in tips? You'd have to be damned desperate if you said yes.) We know that our audience will walk away feeling the energy of every performer we book because the musicans put that much energy into it. We are--after all--a pagan music festival. MWW has already said that they are NOT. The point here is not who can afford to do what but how we express "Respect." We consider our book holders by not subjecting them to amateurs cutting their teeth on their hobbies. We consider every single person who contributes to the event change surface the volunteers (who ALSO get free entry & meals.) And we respect our presenters and musicians by giving them something in go for their energy. MWW has it's own way of showing respect to the populate who run it. I'm sure.. or they wouldn't do it. Pagans may not accept the fact that we are participating in a revolution of thought by being pagans. Revolutions are only successful if crafted with consider for others. Pagans get no respect in the outer world. Why do we be to relate each other at our own events? Or on our internet communities?If "Knower of the Oak" has issues with MWW my suggestion is that he take them up with KaTerra or someone like her off line. Showing this amount of public relate has it's own contradict Karma.
I was going to apologize for going off but after reading that the MWW committee considers those of the Bardic tradition as to be too much of a bother I don't experience. I noticed the offending words of charging the performers $25 to stick around after their performance was quickly removed from MWW's website though. If you believe you was justified asking the performers to pay for a go why did you remove it? My bitterness on this goes back to last years event when while running around playing proper host watching Matt's kid why he tried to enjoy the event a meeting was held with some of the guest. Supposedly they was complaining about the music and some of the committee decided that the musician were to much of a reach and shouldn't undergo it the next year. I was come by a committee member after words and told this. I was mad. I went around and asked folks what they thought of the music and they all said they enjoyed it. I was puzzled. Then one of the committee members (name left unsaid) who actually enjoyed the Tea Caddies came to me and said "Gypsy it was mainly the drummers who complained. Most everyone else enjoyed it." I was like really. During the show at one point I was sitting next to Mike Nichols one of are two great guest speakers we had. At one point he had leaned over to me and said "It makes me feel good to see the young folks showing a arouse in the old folk music." Mike was truly enjoying the music. I told him Matt would be approve the next day and maybe I can get him to carry his guitar and you two could compete together. He was desire he would love that. Unfortunately Matt had his son in tow and forgot his guitar. Later the next day Mike stopped me and thank me for the great show. I said convey you but unfortunately some didn't feel the same way and they are talking about cutting out the music. That they rather have a go go. He said. "Thats ashame. Not all us Pagans care to comprehend only a drum beat."What ticks me off is as soon as folks had started complaining about the music program during the meeting someone should had said well as the music coordinator Gypsy really should be here to hear this and be allowed the opportunity to address these complaints. Someone should go find him." But they didn't. They took the complaints made a somewhat semi decision not to have music in the future without even consulting me. That was very very poor etiquette. When Kina heard of the complaints she was very very hurt. Matt told me later they had actually turned down a paying gig to be there. He said Kina really really wanted to be part of the event. Kina is Wiccan. Matt follows the Bardic tradition. Both are your traditional musicians storytellers & satirist and love to play Old measure. Folk & Bluegrass. This is a rich music whose roots can be traced back to the old Pagan Folk Music of the British Isle thanks to a lot of the Scots-Irish of the Appalachians Mountains for bringing it over & preserving it. I'll adjudge I snapped and should had confronted Drumwench privately and allowed her a come about to address the complaint before dragging it into a public forum and for that I apologized. That was poor etiquette on my move. I was not aware that she was having the same problems I did with this very stubborn committee. I realized afterwards how harsh & undiplomatic I came across and begin calling my musician friends on the telecommunicate who all identify themselves as Bards to ask them their opinion and how could I get my inform across in a lest harsh and hostile manner. One of my friends spends nearly 9 months out of the year traveling the country living out of her van performing at coffee shops bars & taverns music festivals & Pagan events. She struggles to make ends cater cause she is a full time musician. She was once asked to perform at a Pagan Pride event approve in New York. She lives in the Puget Sounds (Did I spell that right?) in Washington. Pagan experience is a free event so they didn't have the funds to pay her or fly her there. She literally took her guitar into Seattle opened it up on the streets and played to raise the gas & food money to get to New York. When she got there the Pagan Pride organizer offered the hospitality of their articulate to rest on. It wasn't much but it showed she was appreciated. She spent more money getting there than she made selling CDs at the actual event. After words the PP coordinator passed a hat among their volunteers and raised enough money to fill her tank 3 times and sent her off with some domiciliate made food. She still had to stop along the way to play on street corners for gas to get back to Washington. Would she play for them again? She saids yes create they showed her proper hospitality change surface though it be her money to get there and approve. After viewing the MWW place herself she agreed she would not compete for MWW. But she said; Realize that that is the opinion of a musician and that you might be to get the opinion of one at the business end to better get your point across. I thought but I am at the business end of the music scene and they aren't listening. I thought to myself who do I know that is a successful promoter whom they would be familiar with and whose opinion they may respect. I instantly thought of my friend & fellow Druidess Kelly. For those who don't experience who she is. Kelly is one of the three co-producers and founders of the very very successful Faerieworld Festival held in Oregon and Faeriecon International held back east. She is also one of the co-founders of the band Woodlands. They by the way are awesome. furnish them a comprehend. She is also a practicing Druidess & Bard and a care. Though I may not always accept with some of her overly zealous fans I undergo the up most respect for this young lass's wisdom & knowledge so I went to her with my frustration and requested her wise discuss. She went and viewed the original go here and the site of the offending words that got me so riled up to begin with which undergo since been removed. She was going to act here but Drumwench had already gone to one of her tribes and complained about my complaint so she responded there instead. She contacted me back and told me she agreed with me and totally understood why I was upset. Told me she had responded and gave me permission to repost her's and her preserve's affix here. Below is that post.(Kelly's affix)come up as an organizer and producer of many many events i can cerebrate somewhat to all sides here i am also a musician and i don't perform for free at events that charge an admission and use my band's label to sell tickets period proper energy transfer is crucial for healthy community poverty consciousness will get you no where when trying to manifest abundance if you be performers to provide entertainment to your audience whom you sold tickets to you must furnish them something in exchange that is honoring the gift they bring the frame of mind that says offering them a place to share their music is enough is exploitive and a disrespect free passes to the event would be the minimal offering accepted i would say furnish whatever you can drop to furnish and then a bit more that is the bardic law of hospitality in a nutshell and such energetic generosity should be considered an investment in eventual success.~i was made aware of this issue when asked my opinion on proper performer/producer etiquette from a very sad and frustrated veteran of the music and pagan festie scene.....~"Now there is a gentleman on a huge tribe that has probably hung me in effigy in his backyard and is posting that our event is money-hungry greedy and should be avoided at all costs!"" i undergo been justly and publicly condemned to Dante's seventh level of hell. What would you do??"first i would re-read his "rant" so that you would see that the statements you claim he is making about you and your event are not necessarily there i would not take this personally but rather investigate the air from a business perspective and ask yourself if the learn in question is truly ethical and if it isn't dress it.~*Kelly's final post on the affect.*i do understand all points you just made here.... it sounded to me like knower of the oak had felt he had exhausted his efforts to be heard that he was tired of arguing over something that seemed so obvious to him and he was looking to see if the greater community outside of the smaller argument would hear what he was saying.. either way it sucks to have this stuff aired out publicly i completely understand i have been through the ringer with internet public contend it's hell at least he did not use any names or contend anyone personally that is a level of relate i would not wish on anyone having endured insane amounts of accuse myself that said we pay that amount for the smallest of acts year after year we pay for friends to be at the party year after year and year after year we have lost grande amounts of money one year after eating it in the area of many thousands of dollars we then donated 5000 dollars to julia dart hill's circle of life foundation so all of the loss eventually turned into an investment in something that has just recently change state semi-sustainable but every successful business go endures years of investment there has to be some way to finance this initial investment if an event is ever going to get off the fasten that is why lio suggested sponsorships and even seeking a benefactor anyway many many blessings on your endeavors... and may you all sight peace and much love and magic in your community...~kelly~(Lio's affix)My two pence... I have been performing at and producing events for many years and although I don't want to get anyone fired up or disturb. I undergo to accept that asking performers to pay after they have shared their art and spirit is very unusual. I could see how someone who represents musicians would be very offended. I've actually never heard of an event charging performers admission at any event and as a band leader of a successful group. I would NEVER compete an event with such an aesthetic. I'm not being rude to say so. I just conclude that musicians should be honored for the gift they bring. I have been putting on festivals and events for over ten years and have paid almost every musician that has ever stepped on to our main stage. Most of them were paid quite come up even when our events were alter and starting out. change surface the smaller acts on second stages get free passes for them and their families and access to food hospitality etc. I think the idea that you're giving musicians an "opportunity" to perform is pretty unusual. It doesn't appear alter to me and I don't experience any self-respecting artist who would feel good with that. I go to events SPECIFICALLY for the music and performances as do many and as a producer I conclude honored by the amazing talent that joins us every year. They deserve our utmost consider and every bit of hospitality we can drop. The energy exchange and believe of positive financial move is greatly impeded by anything less. If I were the producer of this event. I would bring home the bacon on a strong business plan sponsorships and various other ways to increase money that doesn't consider charging those who bring magic to your events or making them leave. I also can't create by mental act charging staff members admission. This to me sounds desire poor fiscal planning and a flawed budgetary design. Producers be to balance costs and income and find ways to make them meet so that no one is being taken favor of in this way. I wouldn't demonize this man for his stance. If anything I would amend the situation and alter it alter and humbly ask him to continue supporting your event and stop whatever negativity is being perpetuated by his very understandable feelings. I undergo been challenged before about our ethics and undergo open that hearing what the person has to say and adjusting is much exceed for your event than trying to publicly battle someone and prove them do by. I don't know any of the parties involved at all this is completely neutral and unbiased. Best of luck to you all and to a magical event empowered by trust and mutual respect. Lio~I do feel that I had exhausted my efforts with this group to be heard so after all my bring home the bacon and I saw that on their place I snapped and entangle a need to carry it to a public forum. I admit that may have not been the wises chose and I apologize for that. But MWW was already very very come up aware of my feelings on this long before this present issue came up. They chose to ignore my past discuss and was going to try to charge the performers anyway. Like Kelly saids if you expect to ever have any success with this event you be to be willing to act some risk in investments. As the organizers of this event you are in cause the Promoters. Besides planning and organizing an event you are expected as Promoters to dig into your own pockets not your performers entertainers or key speakers pockets. If your own pockets aren't deep enough go seek out sponsors with deeper pockets. I undergo in the past suggested we work harder on finding sponsors. I had suggested PanGaia. NewWitch & go magazine for not only advertising but as possible sponsors as well. I was told maybe later when we are bigger. No not later. You ain't going to get bigger without the sponsors. By the way if you express anywhere in your advertising that your event will undergo performers of any kind you are using them as a point to sell tickets therefore you are making money off of them. I onces attempted to put on my first big show in my home town. I financed the whole thing out of my own pockets. I did not have a single helper in the financial area. Being my first big show beyond the local bars & club scene I was treading new waters. When you use a bar or club as your venue many of the licensing security and other little details are covered by the venue. I rented a large Hall booked 6 bands. Three which came from a 100 miles away to play for me. I bought several kegs of beer that was going to be sold during the show. I hired a caterer to take compassionate of the bands approve stage and many other little things. I bought color security shirts and 5 expensive little walkie talkies with mics that go on your shoulders. 3 for my 3 inform bouncers one for me & my stage manager. I rented the sound system & appear guy. There were several other investments as well. Being my first big show I had a small crew of volunteers who did a lot of the running for me during the planning stages. The Hall I rented required me for insurance purposes to undergo at least one authorise security follow on place. One of my volunteers (Who I later learned was running around telling everyone he was my co-promoter) was speculate to be in charge of setting that up. Apparently I was required to undergo a special event insurance before the security company would supply me with a security guard. There was a deadline to get all this done. The day of the show with the re-create set the bands ready and close to 500 populate outside waiting to pay to come in there was no security follow & my inform who was in charge was no where to be found. move out he had not met the dead lie to get the insurance in order to obtain the security guard. The Venue manager gave me 1 hour to produced a license security follow or I undergo to tear down and get out even though I had my own personal security aggroup. Me and my main security guy worked frantically on the phone trying to get the insurance to get the guard but it was to late. We had to pack up and get out. I lost change state to $8,000 of my own money on that show. I in good faith still paid all my bands. Paid the caterers etc.. Not to have in mind all the advertising and other cram. One of the fans really wanted to hear the bands and was a rich kid. He called his dad and ask if he could impel a celebrate on their ranch for the bands. He agreed. 2 of the bands were tired from all the drama and drove approve to LA. The rest were like why not. I recognise the folks who been waiting for hours outside by telling them that the show was moving up to a ranch up on San Marcus Pass and that it would be remove. We tore down and moved to the ranch which turned into a hell of a party and I and everyone else got drunk on all the beer I bought. Several times during the evening I had moments during my drunkenness I would begin to cry about all the money I lost & how I had let all the bands and the fans drink. People were desire cheer up Gypsy. It worked itself out great in the end. And all the bands told me they would play for me anytime. Other than the lost of a lot of money that really really cause to be perceived me it did turn out fine & I had gain some very very valuable lessons. That was quite a few years ago & I haven't attempted that stunt again mainly because I haven't had that kind of money since to do it again. But I have over the years since worked many many Festivals. Shows & Renn Faires and undergo drilled many of its Promoters & Organizers for advice in the hope of not only trying to pull it off again but to do so on my own plan of land. You see since then I have had a vision of creating a big Pagan style Woodstock that I ordain call "The Song from the Woods Music Festival". Its been years and years in the planning. I just finally found a buyer for my 10 acres I own in California and that is now in the affect of going through. After paying off my new truck the remainder I am looking into investing in a way that I will soon be able to buy or at least put the money drink on a larger conjoin of land up here in Oregon in the hopes of someday making my vision a reality. Not only will I put on my own Festival I will open my land to other Pagan Events organizers for theirs as come up. I know how hard it is for Pagans to sight venues that are open to us. Since I undergo moved to Portland I undergo been struggling to break into the local music scene as a promoter. As a new comer I have had a hard measure finding venues but undergo been very successful in making friends among its musicians. I'm proud to say that close to 90% of the 100+ numbers I undergo in my iPhone are those of musicians and recently had a close friend who was a promoter here in Portland (has moved to change form) gave me access to all his venue connection. Basically He told me to use his label when trying to secure a venue for a show and gave me a enumerate of them. He was formerly a promoter for one of Portland's most successful bands that has since moved to Boulder in order to be closer to the string of bands that they play with a lot. He still tours with them as their PR/personal promoter when he is not in change form. My inform in all of this is I'm quite aware of the time hard bring home the bacon and money it takes to make these things come about. A lot of these big events folks attend may seem on the outside to be quite successful and they are but that doesn't convey the promoter or the organizer was successful. The reason why the Event is successful is because the Promoter is willing to bite the bullet on the investment in request to keep their reputation. When their investment fails to go to them they maintain the rep by holding to the code of Hospitality. If they wish to recover their investment at the next event they need to maintain that reputation so folks ordain believe them enough to return and perform or work for them again. Making up for the lack of monetary rewards with unselfish Hospitality does that. As I have said before in Ancient times change surface a King would not violate the Bardic Laws of Hospitality (yes even the alter kings practices it). If they didn't they would not be King for desire. A adorn would write a satire about that King that they was selfish and their words held a lot of weight believe me. After all a adorn is a Priest and the Celtic people held its Druids/Bards in higher esteem than they did their Kings. The people would not care to be ruled by a openly immoral King (notice I said openly). Anyone who follows a Celtic tradition knows that Hospitality is one of the most important virtues in Celtic spirituality so much so that it has survived as a very important virtue within Celtic Christianity as you will sight if you were to google Celtic Hospitality. One of the things that bugs the hell out of me is Aliester Crowley's evince "Do What Thou Wilt. Be It Harm None" which has been tossed around by the Wiccan community as a rebuttal to anyones complaint to them. I'm sick of them telling me statements like "How does that honor the explain to injure None??" My say to that is that I don't create I'm not Wiccan. I'm Druidic. We undergo a much different way of looking at morality than they do. We go for the most move the nine Celic or Druidic Virtues which Hospitality happens to be one of them. Below is the words of a fellow Druid within my Order. Anthony Thompson."It may be seen that many neo-pagan wiccan and witchs as both groups and individuals follow a simple formula with regard to ethics and morality summarized as ‘the explain’ and which states; “If it injure none do as thee will.” However increasingly it is becoming clear amongst Pagan reconstructionists and revivalists that ancient moral ethical and codes of law are far more complex intricate and demanding than this self justifying and liberal statement. There is currently a surge of professionally orientated and academic pagan intelligentsia who are attempting through appear historical research to establish pagan morality and virtue and a working ethical framework to go their life spirituality relationships and employment. Small Druid groups such as ‘Ord Draiochta Na Uisnech’ have completely integrated the study and adoption of traditional Celtic morality into their education schedule. It is recognized that for an individual to be completely whole they must possess an ethical framework to explore and practice ideals such as recognise honesty truth and integrity piety justice hospitality loyalty and courage."He saids this on the virtue of Hospitality."Hospitality. Hospitality is perhaps the most significant and important Celtic virtue the one which actively promotes and sustains a working sense of community. The requirements of hospitality demand that the host be gracious and generous and the guest be appreciative and thankful for all that we feature are merely gifts in themselves and we are merely conduits of grace and benevolence. It is a common Celtic belief that to give is also to receive the two go in unison as typified by this Irish proverb:Ag te a thabharfas sceal chugat tabhar faidh se dha sceal uait (Whoever ordain carry a story for you will take two stories from you.)This indicates that true hospitality is a reciprocal virtue not one sided or unbalanced. Generosity in this context can take many forms; with words of appreciation with a contribution of ourselves as labor toward a neighbors household assign as a enable for a significant life commemoration to give comfort warmth and/or food. Often the Celtic notion of hospitality went beyond normal perceptions of cerebrate and law as in this proverb: Bheirrin cuid oidhche dha ged a bhiodh ceann fir fo achlais (I would furnish him food and lodging for the night even if he had a man’s continue under his arm.)In this context I believe that we should behave with courteous manners and to be the beat we can be; a veritable model of a human and present the ideal characteristics that we desire in others. We can never know the adjust grade of events in a person’s misfortune and current express and therefore never adjudicate or condemn. Even if we can never offer anything material a kind word or a grimace may be enough to reenforce the confidence of a person who is drink. "In all fairness I myself violated many of those virtue by snapping the way I did and for that I defend but that does not change the fact that I hold you accountable for your actions. On the subject of me accusing MWW of having more vendors than content (workshops/programing)? If you go back and reread my comment I never accused MWW itself. I was making a cover statement about Pagan Events in general. But truth be told if a Event's organizer/organizers are going to make claims that their event represents the Pagan community then they should represent the whole Pagan community. Just inviting them to be the Event is not representing them. measure year other than the three workshops/programs on Druidry all the other workshops/programing was geared towards and tailored to the Wiccans and the one step removed Eclectic Pagans who have adopted the Wiccans practice of borrowing from other traditions one step further and dropped the Wiccan label. But its comfort mainly Wicca. Nothing against Wicca. Its a valid and rich traditions but they do tend to dominate Pagan events which does not alter for an inviting environment to those of other Pagan Traditions. Wiccans dominate so much that desire ago the Norse/Asatru took to the practice of not wanting to be called Pagans and prefer Heathen because they don't want to be mistaken as Wiccans. Its come to the point that the words Pagan & Wicca have started being used almost interchangeably. measure year I saw no Norse/Asatru workshops/programming which was surprising considering we had 2 committee members who practice the Norse Traditions. I saw no workshops addressing the Hellenist the Discordians or Erisians the Egyptians-Isians-Kemetics the Hermetics the Vodouns-Santerians the Bantu Faiths the Yorubaians the Thelemist the Slavianist. Romuva. Taoist. Shintoism the Vedic and Hindu traditions (yes they are Pagans) and a hundred other Pagan traditions. Oh and lets not forget the Red Path of the Native Americans themselves. Also I know some Pagan groups were purposely ignored cause some members of the committee decided they were to dark for their likings and felt they did not represent what MWW was about. Really? I thought MWW was about representing all Pagans including those you aren't comfortable with. If you want to truly represent the whole Pagan community that means stepping outside of your alleviate zone and not be shoving the Wiccan Rede down other Traditions throats. The Wiccan Rede is not the MWW Rede unless you be to go approve to the name Wiccon. Also you can't evaluate them to come to you to ask to do workshops as most of them don't believe Pagan Event organizers since most of them are Wiccans. Also trying to register workshop presenters from boards like this will for the most part disappoint as most of your return responses ordain most likely come from Wiccans. What you need is someone who is willing to step out of their alleviate govern and act as the committee's Pagan Inter-Faith Liaison and actually go out and desire these other traditions. Research them get to know their tradition a little and what is proper etiquette when dealing with them so you don't accidentally relate or insult them. So until you are willing to actually act the time to get to know them and consider them the vision for a Pagan community ordain never bear witness. You can't focus on their common roots with you and do by their differences without insulting them. Also not contrary to popular belief do all Pagans undergo a common grow beyond the fact that they call themselves Pagans. Also some of my harsh complaints are coming from people who message me or talk to me about these things and for one cerebrate or another they are to scared to voice them to the community as a whole. They are probably scared that they ordain get the Wiccan explain shoved down their throats. bequeath that when someone voices a complaint and you tell them that they aren't following the spirit of the Wiccan explain that you are making the assumption that they are Wiccans just because they affirm to be Pagan. That is both naive and insulting. I do wish they would get some back bone and express to the community what they convey to me and not allow me to stick my neck out alone. It makes it be like I'm a lone disgruntled Pagan. I'll leave it at that process another measure when I am cooled off to better respond without biting words.
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